Security Chief Kim...really?

[R. Star]

Did Kathryn have a choice of being the Captain of a tiny ship, or a Commander on a regular sized ship, and she chose to be the Captain of a tiny ship?

Memory Beta cites Janeway was captain of the USS Bonstell(Oberth class) for a few years before she got Voyager.

Then again Memory Beta also says that vessel was destroyed at Wolf 359, so that's fan wikis for you.

Either way, it would seem to indicate a pattern of getting the captain rank and working your way up to bigger ships as you go. Janeway does strike me as the type to say yes to being CO of a small ship than XO of a big one.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's one of the contradictions in canon.

She's said that Voyager is both her first and second command at different points in the complete story.

This is only worth bringing up because Riker kept turning down dinky Captaincies on ships which were expected to chart jack squat thirty light years away from anywhere interesting.

Riker and Janeway are the opposite.

 

[lurok]

I can just imagine Janeway saying "It's the *ships* that got small".

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Riker and Janeway are the opposite.

Yes! Yes! YES!

 

[F. King Daniel]

And opposites attract! *cue nasty Rikerway fanfic*

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

All of the men Janeway likes are softer than her. She wants a homefires burning fellah. Kashyk was a dalliance with the bad boy but he's not someone she would ever set up house with. And Riker is neither of these things, not the genial handyman she prefers and not the dangerous bad boy she can have a little fantasy about. He's just a big, ape-ish, barking putz.

 

[R. Star]

All of the men Janeway likes are softer than her. She wants a homefires burning fellah. Kashyk was a dalliance with the bad boy but he's not someone she would ever set up house with. And Riker is neither of these things, not the genial handyman she prefers and not the dangerous bad boy she can have a little fantasy about. He's just a big, ape-ish, barking putz.

I think Janeway is a murderous, insane tyrant with bi-polar disorder. That said, even she doesn't deserve Riker. Though Riker does deserve to serve under her command.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You know what I love? I love how Janeway stares at someone and says, "I beg your pardon?" as though frozen death rays are coming out of her eyes. She did this in 10 different episodes.

I would like to see a youtube of all these "I beg your pardon"'s.

I would also like to see her say it to Riker.

 

[Immolatus]

Ops is a job for an Ensign.

Isn't Data Ops officer on the enterprise or was?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ops on a tiny ship like Voyager is a job for an ensign, which is why they gave it to an ensign.

Ops on Enterprise, which is almost 10 times the size of Voyager, and expected to do anything, anywhere (Ops is also about resource management of the ships stores. The Ops officer is the quartermaster as well as traffic controller for everything else.) is not a job for an ensign green straight out of the academy, even though there were extras in those seats all the time.

Besides.

This isn't a question of just sitting at the Ops station.

This is about the person, Harry or whoever, being a section head.

Commanding staff responsibly.

How much staff, floaters and fixed do you think these two very different Section heads of Ops have to roster and organize on there respective ships?

3 or 4 shifts a day depending on what era we're talking about, then redundancies they can put into play and then green buggers they're still training up.

Data probably had 20 to thirty lieutenants in his stable of Ops officers at any one point. Kim on the other hand probably had 4 or 5 enlisted personal to push around in his ops department because no one above the rank of Ensign during the original "mission" can (without a grain of salt) work in ops on Voyager because Kim can't give them orders or write crew evaluations on his superiors recommending advancement or demotion or transfer, unless you believe that he has magic rank from being a section head like how O'Brien does.

besides if Kim had a huge staff, then why do we almost never see anyone else sitting at the ops station unless he wanders off to do something important like an away mission?

 

[marksound]

Security was folded into tactical with Tuvok.

Was that because Tuvok was so awesome that he could wear two hats or was it just that the ship was so small? If it was just because the ship was small, does that mean that Kim is such a dunce that he has to wear half a hat?

Worf also wore two hats. Well, three if you count his Merry Man lid.

You'll remember the bald girl in the navigators seat on the bridge?

She was Miss India once upon a time.

I doubt she would have still won with such a shorn doo.

Hmmm. There's an alien name for ya. The Shorndoo. Mediocre navigators, but excellent at the celibacy.

 

[marksound]

Riker is ... just a big, ape-ish, barking putz.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Ops on a tiny ship like Voyager is a job for an ensign, which is why they gave it to an ensign.

Ops on Enterprise, which is almost 10 times the size of Voyager, and expected to do anything, anywhere (Ops is also about resource management of the ships stores. The Ops officer is the quartermaster as well as traffic controller for everything else.) is not a job for an ensign green straight out of the academy, even though there were extras in those seats all the time.

Besides.

This isn't a question of just sitting at the Ops station.

This is about the person, Harry or whoever, being a section head.

Commanding staff responsibly.

How much staff, floaters and fixed do you think these two very different Section heads of Ops have to roster and organize on there respective ships?

3 or 4 shifts a day depending on what era we're talking about, then redundancies they can put into play and then green buggers they're still training up.

Data probably had 20 to thirty lieutenants in his stable of Ops officers at any one point. Kim on the other hand probably had 4 or 5 enlisted personal to push around in his ops department because no one above the rank of Ensign during the original "mission" can (without a grain of salt) work in ops on Voyager because Kim can't give them orders or write crew evaluations on his superiors recommending advancement or demotion or transfer, unless you believe that he has magic rank from being a section head like how O'Brien does.

besides if Kim had a huge staff, then why do we almost never see anyone else sitting at the ops station unless he wanders off to do something important like an away mission?

I would always see Operations as being one of the larger departments on a ship, when you consider all that they would need to cover. On my fanfic ships I have it that Ops covers more than just the Bridge station, but also communications, computer management, sensor monitoring, transporters, cargo, logistics.

But that's just me.

Anyways, the point I was raising was: does anyone, anywhere bye Kim as Security Chief? Was there anything in an episode that makes you think he could handle the job, or should he just have remained at Ops and someone else promoted/brought in to replace Tuvok.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Kim as a security chief is a really weird choice. I can see him as tactical or engineering, or even command track, but not anything like security.

 

[Winterwind]

Kim as a security chief is a really weird choice. I can see him as tactical or engineering, or even command track, but not anything like security.

Count me as another that thinks Kim as a security chief makes no sense. Tactical, yes. Engineering, yes. Command track... I have to disagree with that one.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'd like to see him as the holodeck pin boy.

 

[Winterwind]

I don't know what a pin boy is but if it's demeaning to Kim, I'm all for it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Before automatic pin setters in bowling alleys, they used to use child labour to pick up the pins between turns.

The title is still used for the mechanics who maintain the pinsetting machinery.

 

[R. Star]

Pin boy? For some reason that just makes me envision Janeway holding a Harry Kim voodoo doll and stabbing it repeatedly.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

My third job was as a pin boy. It would be hard to come up with a less suitable job. I had applied at a bowling alley (a place I'd never set foot in before.. that or any other bowling alley) and was instantly hired. I thought I would be at the counter giving people the ugly shoes and telling them where the toilets were but the boss (who was pretty much George Costanza's father) led me down alongside the alleys to a mysterious door and into the secret world behind the pins. The bowling machines were huge, they were like 8 feet tall and and full of gears and baskets and pulleys and they made terrible noises scooping up the pins, popping them into their holders, setting them in place.

At this point in my life I couldn't so much as fix a bike chain, I was mechanically retarded in the extreme and I knew it.

Mr Costanza waved his hand at this long hall of monstrosities and said, "these are the machines.. you will be in charge of them."

Terrible, terrible things would go wrong, buzzers would sound and I would have to CLIMB to the top of the machine after turning it off (very important) and wrench the ripped up pins out of the system and try and figure out what belts had slipped. If I didn't fix it in like three minutes Mr. Costanza would be barking on the intercom, "Machine number six, machine number six!!!"

That part was very stressful. However many hours would go by uneventfully. I had to paint the broken up wooden pins with this thick white goo which was fake wood but that didn't take long. During that summer I read the first five books in Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan series which were left in the drawers in the back room next to the stack of porn mags. I've always been very fond of Edgar Rice Burroughs though after book number two in every one of his series they go down hill rapidly.

So. Harry can fix stuff holographically and whack off while waiting for something to go wrong. That way the bowlers don't have to dirty their hands during their recreation time.