section 31,will they be like?,...

[The Wormhole]

^^"The entire crew of DS9" is an exaggeration. The senior staff know about them, but that's like seven people in the entire Federation. Not really enough to expose such a secret.

OK, that's what I meant when I said the "crew." Sorry if I wasn't clear. But what's to stop Sisko and "crew" from going to Starfleet Command and the Federation Council with what they know? Or Jake Sisko from spreading their existence on the Federation News Service?

Well, Sisko did make inquiries about Section 31 and Sloan to Starfleet Command, who stonewalled him.

Presumably Section 31 has ways of siliencing or at least discrediting anyone who tries to go public about them.

 

[Harry Palmer]

^^"The entire crew of DS9" is an exaggeration. The senior staff know about them, but that's like seven people in the entire Federation. Not really enough to expose such a secret.

OK, that's what I meant when I said the "crew." Sorry if I wasn't clear. But what's to stop Sisko and "crew" from going to Starfleet Command and the Federation Council with what they know? Or Jake Sisko from spreading their existence on the Federation News Service?

Well, Sisko did make inquiries about Section 31 and Sloan to Starfleet Command, who stonewalled him.

He said he did.

If Section 31 are the 24thC equivalent of the CIA

No, Section 31 is nothing like the CIA. Section 31 is effective. Aside from using a fairly conventional Handler(Sloan) Agent(Bashir) compartmentalization structure 31 doesn't appear to have a real world analogue. We're talking an organization that can operate completely above the scrutiny of anyone.

didn't the CIA indulge themselves in not so petty vendettas?

Not that I recall.

They had it in for Kennedy, after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, when some of them got killed. At least, that's what I heard.

No that's the plot for a bad movie.

 

[Arpy]

No, Section 31 is nothing like the CIA. Section 31 is effective. ... We're talking an organization that can operate completely above the scrutiny of anyone.

The CIA is very effective. Their occasional blunder may make for good mockery, but let's give credit where due.

That S31 can operate so totally in secret suggests that they're not nearly as sprawling and therefore not nearly as effective. They have to operate in a more passive manner...they have no facilities or manifest in any way but in the minds of their members. Presumably, they're in positions of access and influence and only act when no one can notice. They're traitors of the trust placed in them to fulfill their normative duties.

 

[Cheapjack]

OK, that's what I meant when I said the "crew." Sorry if I wasn't clear. But what's to stop Sisko and "crew" from going to Starfleet Command and the Federation Council with what they know? Or Jake Sisko from spreading their existence on the Federation News Service?

Well, Sisko did make inquiries about Section 31 and Sloan to Starfleet Command, who stonewalled him.

He said he did.




No, Section 31 is nothing like the CIA. Section 31 is effective. Aside from using a fairly conventional Handler(Sloan) Agent(Bashir) compartmentalization structure 31 doesn't appear to have a real world analogue. We're talking an organization that can operate completely above the scrutiny of anyone.

didn't the CIA indulge themselves in not so petty vendettas?

Not that I recall.

They had it in for Kennedy, after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, when some of them got killed. At least, that's what I heard.

No that's the plot for a bad movie.

It's also all over the internet, and quite a strong theory.

 

[Delta1]

So we can have "strong theories" without evidence, now? As simple assertion and argumentum ad internetum is a strong theory? Who, exactly, "had it in for" Kennedy, and how did they demonstrate this having-it-in-forness?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It's also all over the internet, and quite a strong theory.

Oh yes, because every theory we read on the internet is true.

 

[Cheapjack]

Look on 'The Education Forum', on the internet. Watch the film 'JFK'. David Morales said they 'got' Kennedy and his brother. Where have you been the last 47 years? Something like 70% of americans think there was a conspiracy.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Then 70% of Americans need their heads examined.

As for the movie JFK? Gimme a fucking BREAK. What a total hack job that was. I found it impossible to take Oliver Stone seriously even before that. Now, all I have to say about him is .

Look, any whacko can spout off a conspiracy theory. May even get a nation full of gullible little stooges to believe him. Doesn't make it true, though. Look how many people still believe in the moon landing hoax...

 

[Cheapjack]

'Back and to the left.'

Go on the Education Forum, if you're such an expert. 70% of the American people know which way people move when they are shot.