Secret Deleted Scene

[Melete]

Crushed hope is hot.

Hot or not. It tastes bitter.

 

[FarStrider]

I will say this: Nero had killed billions of people, including Amanda and George. No way did I want to see him taken into custody. Still, the Kruge scene gives us the perfect fig leaf for our (okay, my) lust for vengeance: why not have the Narada lock tractor beams or, this being Trek XI, grappling chains on the Enterprise. Then it really would have been an "I have had enough of you!" moment. As it's played, Kirk almost loses the Enterprise because he stopped to unload on a seemingly unarmed opponent and then wait around for a crucial couple of seconds to gloat. Say what you will about Nero being a proven threat who needed to be neutralized, it still comes off as cold-blooded and reckless. How many kegs--I mean, warp cores--did they have to jettison to break free?

Yes, this bothered me quite a bit. It was unnecessarily bloodthirsty, particularly since Spock signed off on it. Sure, Nero killed his mother but Vulcans are pacifists - while that doesn't mean they never use violence, it does make this kind of revenge killing seem more inappropriate...

And that this Spock is so different from the Spock that told Kirk to kill Gary Mitchell, how? Or the Spock that told Kirk to kill the Horta? Whether you like it or not, there are precedents established for Spock's "bloodthirsty" behavior.

~FS

 

[Char Aznable]

Really, this thread has been so successful I really think it should get an award for being the best pro-movie thread in the forum!

 

[Orcus]

Really, this thread has been so successful I really think it should get an award for being the best pro-movie thread in the forum!

Seconded!

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I will say this: Nero had killed billions of people, including Amanda and George. No way did I want to see him taken into custody. Still, the Kruge scene gives us the perfect fig leaf for our (okay, my) lust for vengeance: why not have the Narada lock tractor beams or, this being Trek XI, grappling chains on the Enterprise. Then it really would have been an "I have had enough of you!" moment. As it's played, Kirk almost loses the Enterprise because he stopped to unload on a seemingly unarmed opponent and then wait around for a crucial couple of seconds to gloat. Say what you will about Nero being a proven threat who needed to be neutralized, it still comes off as cold-blooded and reckless. How many kegs--I mean, warp cores--did they have to jettison to break free?

Yes, this bothered me quite a bit. It was unnecessarily bloodthirsty, particularly since Spock signed off on it. Sure, Nero killed his mother but Vulcans are pacifists - while that doesn't mean they never use violence, it does make this kind of revenge killing seem more inappropriate...

And that this Spock is so different from the Spock that told Kirk to kill Gary Mitchell, how? Or the Spock that told Kirk to kill the Horta? Whether you like it or not, there are precedents established for Spock's "bloodthirsty" behavior.

~FS

Spock in WNHGB was speaking logically--he knew what Mitchell would become and he knew the only way to stop him was kill him while he could still be killed. Spock in TDITD was speaking emotionally--he was terrified a proven killer was about to kill his best friend. Spock in Trek XI was speaking vengefully--he wanted revenge, plain and simple. And I sympathize--I fully appreciated his desire to see Nero die. I think it would have been more affecting, however, if Kirk overrode that desire (even if it then led into the self-defense scenario I outlined above) and we later see Spock having to deal with his very anti-Surakian impulse. But whatever, still a damned fun movie, my third favorite Trek movie after I and II.

 

[Char Aznable]

bumping awesome pro nuTrek thread!