Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[Scotty]

I think there could be a number of explanations for this. One, CBS had the advantage of figuring out and perfecting the remastering process when they prepared the sampler disc. When they started work on season 1 they had the experience of working on those three episodes behind them, which HTV obviously didn't. The people at HTV had to perfect the process as they were working on the season, hence the mixed results in the earlier half and the improvement near the end.

This argument does not really hold up. EaF was the first episode CBS-D completed and it looks absolutely fabulous! HTV didn't get anywhere near that level of quality.

That's true of course. But because EaF was the first episode that CBS-D did and at that time it was a trial, they had a lot more time to complete and perfect the look of it. That look was carried over to the subsequent episodes in season 1. From what I've read and understand about the project, HTV was not involved in that development process. They were brought in when CBS-D couldn't complete all the work in time. And since they were working almost independently from CBS-D (with only the Okudas advising both teams) they didn't benefit from CBS's experiences.

 

[Scotty]

This comparison makes me wince:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01/farpoint_hd_013.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x02/where_silence_has_lease_hd_107.jpg
DVD: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x02/wheresilence053.jpg

In all honesty, HTV's work is more faithful to the original effect. CBS-D looks better (and obviously I prefer it), but you can understand why HTV's effect looks the way it does.

I don't understand why CBS didn't assemble a group of people that supervized both remastering teams. There seemed to be no cooperation between CBS-D and HTV whatsoever.

 

[BillJ]

In all honesty, HTV's work is more faithful to the original effect. CBS-D looks better (and obviously I prefer it), but you can understand why HTV's effect looks the way it does.

This is how I feel.

 

[NewHorizon]

In all honesty, HTV's work is more faithful to the original effect. CBS-D looks better (and obviously I prefer it), but you can understand why HTV's effect looks the way it does.

This is how I feel.

Faithful to a fault. Faithful to the point of some shots looking like they were upscaled....or using very low res graphic elements.

CBS restored the show in a way that looks how I ahem "remember" it in my mind, but HTV went in the complete opposite direction and made sure we were aware of just how the show really looked.

I prefer CBS-D's approach.

 

[Trekker4747]

The original look looked that way because of limits of the time, they didn't intend for the Enterprise to look like an over-lit model suspended in a studio. They wanted it to look like a real spaceship in space. So HTV being "faithful to the original" is, well, sort of undermining the "realism" we're expecting to see. CBS-Digital was able to make the shots look how they were always intended to look -real.

 

[Mott the barber]

Finally got around to watching the complete cast roundtable. It really is a fanboys dream and I enjoyed it immensely. There's lots of good combinations of funny and heartfelt moments, and it actually looked like Patrick was gonna tear up at one point when Marina talked about not wanted to screw up her lines in front of him.
The section on Corey Allen (director of the pilot) was really interesting and they conveyed how important he was to setting the tone that this is the real deal, not just some kiddie show set in space.
The part about him telling Patrick to "f*&k the universe!" cracked me up.

 

[Trekker4747]

I loved Patrick's reaction(s) to some of Dorn's comments/corrections. They all had very good, fun, chemistry. I think that's mostly why the show worked so well it's a chemistry I really don't think any of the other casts had.

 

[Mott the barber]

I loved Patrick's reaction(s) to some of Dorn's comments/corrections. They all had very good, fun, chemistry. I think that's mostly why the show worked so well it's a chemistry I really don't think any of the other casts had.

It's true, and Marina even alluded to it in discussing her lunch with Majel, Kate, etc.

They had a very special chemistry that, agreeing with Levar, was really lucky to have worked out so well.

 

[Timo47]

This comparison makes me wince:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01/farpoint_hd_013.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x02/where_silence_has_lease_hd_107.jpg
DVD: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x02/wheresilence053.jpg

In all honesty, HTV's work is more faithful to the original effect. CBS-D looks better (and obviously I prefer it), but you can understand why HTV's effect looks the way it does.

Nope, you're fooled by the flat grey color given to the Enterprise. If it were an actual faithful effect it wouldn't be missing the shadows on the outer rim of the saucer.

 

[Scotty]

In all honesty, HTV's work is more faithful to the original effect. CBS-D looks better (and obviously I prefer it), but you can understand why HTV's effect looks the way it does.

Nope, you're fooled by the flat grey color given to the Enterprise. If it were an actual faithful effect it wouldn't be missing the shadows on the outer rim of the saucer.

I am in no way fooled and you are wrong. The remastered effect also has a shadowy outer rim on the saucer, though it is less dark. My point is that if you compare the colour of the Enterprise in the original scene, than HTV actually comes much closer than CBS-D's version. CBS-D's version looks better, but it is dramatically altered from the original effect and more closely resembles the effectswork done in Generations.

 

[davejames]

This comparison makes me wince:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01/farpoint_hd_013.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x02/where_silence_has_lease_hd_107.jpg
DVD: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x02/wheresilence053.jpg

If that's truly as bad as it got, I'd be perfectly happy with the effects. Unfortunately there are many shots that are far worse, where the ship either looks like a cutout, or has this blue cast to it, or is bright as hell.

 

[Salinga]

If that's truly as bad as it got, I'd be perfectly happy with the effects. Unfortunately there are many shots that are far worse, where the ship either looks like a cutout, or has this blue cast to it, or is bright as hell.

When its small and brightly lit, it looks more like a Blob in Space, than a ship.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Sorry if this was brought up in the previous 116 pages.

Did anyone notice (in Q Who?) the picture looking very grainy right around the time Worf shoots the Borg in Engineering?

It's the only scene (so far) that is so noticeable.

 

[davejames]

Haven't gotten to that ep yet, but I remember it's a pretty darkly lit shot, and those have usually tended to be more grainy.

 

[jimbotron]

Sorry if this was brought up in the previous 116 pages.

Did anyone notice (in Q Who?) the picture looking very grainy right around the time Worf shoots the Borg in Engineering?

It's the only scene (so far) that is so noticeable.

I noticed it too. Very grainy. Perhaps a different film stock used for the moving shot?

Take a look at the shot just after the second Borg uses his shield. It's this shot http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x16/qwho146.jpg (sorry, I don't have the HD screencap) There's something wrong with it. It's blurry and there are noticeable compression artifacts.

 

[Beta-Z]

*delete*

 

[davejames]

Watched "The Royale" for the first time in awhile, and it still seems like a huge missed opportunity. It's got that very cool and creepy scene with the dead astronaut in the hotel room, and a great idea in this fantasy world living on without him, but unfortunately the scenes in the actual casino are about as dull and tedious as can be.

Basically Riker and Worf just wander around aimlessly for an hour, and Data plays a little blackjack, and... that's about it. None of the casino characters register in the slightest, and even for a bad novel there isn't much of a story to care about.

Apparently the original script was supposed to be a lot more surreal and comedic, so it would be interesting to read that someday.

 

[Jeyl]

Would you consider the Royale to be an example of sticking to the script even though the details of it are completely contradicting to what we are seeing?

Data: He's been dead for 283 years sir. The lack of any advanced decomposition is due to the sterile environment.

And yet, it's a freaking skeleton. Why didn't they just say it was a skeleton? Why does the dialogue imply that we should be seeing a somewhat preserved body when we're looking at a skeleton with skin flakes underneath it?

 

[MikeS]

Would you consider the Royale to be an example of sticking to the script even though the details of it are completely contradicting to what we are seeing?

Data: He's been dead for 283 years sir. The lack of any advanced decomposition is due to the sterile environment.

And yet, it's a freaking skeleton. Why didn't they just say it was a skeleton? Why does the dialogue imply that we should be seeing a somewhat preserved body when we're looking at a skeleton with skin flakes underneath it?

Do you know what... I feel very stupid as I had never noticed that before.

 

[LitmusDragon]

Just finished Q Who in my linear watch-through and the compositing of the Borg cube really does look pretty bad. Very flat and gray looking.

Would you consider the Royale to be an example of sticking to the script even though the details of it are completely contradicting to what we are seeing?

Data: He's been dead for 283 years sir. The lack of any advanced decomposition is due to the sterile environment.

And yet, it's a freaking skeleton. Why didn't they just say it was a skeleton? Why does the dialogue imply that we should be seeing a somewhat preserved body when we're looking at a skeleton with skin flakes underneath it?

Do you know what... I feel very stupid as I had never noticed that before.

I always assumed Data meant that the skeleton was still somewhat preserved and not crumbled completely to dust. But, on thinking about it more, Jeyl is probably correct.