Spoilers Season 2 Trailers, Previews, and Promos
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February 2022
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1435808539763687427
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1435808539763687427
Yeah, not sure how I feel.
Didn't feel the supposed humor (car scene) either.
Didn't feel the supposed humor (car scene) either.
Sounds like this is coming before SNW.
"third season confirmed!!!" *eyeroll* Yeah, seeing you already started shooting it, we kinda guessed.
I'm more intrigued than I expected and probably should be, maybe as I get older I'm feeling a bit nostalgic for the "greatest hits". Heck, even seeing Jeri Ryan still makes me tingle like the old days.
I'd normally agree but season one was such a mess it might be better left behind. I liked some of the ideas but I thought it fell apart in execution.
It's very true to Star Trek though.
I think that was probably an unintended reveal.
Bet we'll see Guinan in the 21st century just like in Time's Arrow.
Guinan: You told me you’ll see me in 500 years! It’s only been 100!
Picard: And you never told me about this meeting period! What else did you know about my future that you never told me?
Guinan: Don’t ask me, that hasn’t happened to me yet.
Picard:
Guinan: You told me you’ll see me in 500 years! It’s only been 100!
Picard: And you never told me about this meeting period! What else did you know about my future that you never told me?
Guinan: Don’t ask me, that hasn’t happened to me yet.
Picard:
New trailer is... fine. The totalitarian 24th century Earth is pretty awesome (and hopefully competently evil and not cartoonishly evil like the Mirror Universe). But man... time travel back to the 21st century? C'mon.
Honestly I'm simply asking "what's the point of all of this" when it comes to Star Trek: Picard now. Seeing what happened 20 years after Nemesis was going to be very welcome. We got somethings with the "Admiral Picard" arc, the final fate of Data, the status of Riker and Troi. But nothing on the rest of the crew. Little on the situation of the galaxy at large. Little about the consequences of some of the huge events that happened in 2370s.
And now Season 2 looks mostly like "Q shows up for the first time in 30 years; is bored so fucks with Picard, who uses the Borg Queen as a key to a Borg time travel device. Also Seven of Nine, one of the few major 90s Trek actors in good physical shape.".
This isn't really even a Star Trek specific complaint, but it's just the latest in a long running story that got passed down into new hands, and instead of using that fertile soil to tell new stores that expand the mythology, the writers tell tangent stories because they really aren't all that interest in 95% of their inheritence. Oh sure they like the Captain Picard backstory well enough as fuel to tell the stories they want to tell. But beyond that? No fucks given. Chance we'll see Michael Dorn in even Season 3? Big fat zero. Because that'll involve TNG Klingons and that is someone else's creation. Won't be surprised if other Season 2 TNG cameos and guest spots are just twisted totalitarian versions of classic characters rather than the genuine article. Looking forward to "General Riker" running a labor camp for Vulcans or something. Gonna be swell.
I'll watch of course. I'll even like it for what it is. But boy, for all his problems as a person and as a boss, the steady hand of Rick Berman to insulate Star Trek from rogues writers who aren't half as clever as they think they are, looks better by the year.
Honestly I'm simply asking "what's the point of all of this" when it comes to Star Trek: Picard now. Seeing what happened 20 years after Nemesis was going to be very welcome. We got somethings with the "Admiral Picard" arc, the final fate of Data, the status of Riker and Troi. But nothing on the rest of the crew. Little on the situation of the galaxy at large. Little about the consequences of some of the huge events that happened in 2370s.
And now Season 2 looks mostly like "Q shows up for the first time in 30 years; is bored so fucks with Picard, who uses the Borg Queen as a key to a Borg time travel device. Also Seven of Nine, one of the few major 90s Trek actors in good physical shape.".
This isn't really even a Star Trek specific complaint, but it's just the latest in a long running story that got passed down into new hands, and instead of using that fertile soil to tell new stores that expand the mythology, the writers tell tangent stories because they really aren't all that interest in 95% of their inheritence. Oh sure they like the Captain Picard backstory well enough as fuel to tell the stories they want to tell. But beyond that? No fucks given. Chance we'll see Michael Dorn in even Season 3? Big fat zero. Because that'll involve TNG Klingons and that is someone else's creation. Won't be surprised if other Season 2 TNG cameos and guest spots are just twisted totalitarian versions of classic characters rather than the genuine article. Looking forward to "General Riker" running a labor camp for Vulcans or something. Gonna be swell.
I'll watch of course. I'll even like it for what it is. But boy, for all his problems as a person and as a boss, the steady hand of Rick Berman to insulate Star Trek from rogues writers who aren't half as clever as they think they are, looks better by the year.
They were talking about doing Season 2 and 3 back to back since the middle of shooting Season 1, albeit mostly spitballing.
I think the rationale is that:
1) Patrick Stewart is very expensive. Picard is by far the most expensive Star Trek show ever made (it certainly doesn't show it in terms of production values) and SPS is making a payday off of it. Probably cheaper to bundle seasons.
2) Patrick Stewart is getting older. We used to all joke how he's immortal and eternally young, and that was true for most of his 70s, but he's clearly gotten thinner and frailer in the past few years, and he's getting to the age where bad things can happen out of the blue.
3) Being in his 80s, as much as he clearly enjoys a return to the character, Patrick Stewart probably doesn't want to make an open ended commitment to this role and this show, so he can do other things while he can. How many other shows have an 80 year old lead?
I'd bet that Season 3 is going to be it for the Picard character and they'll wrap up the character in a fitting, poignant, permanent way (I'm hoping for the "Titanic" ending, but with the Enterprise D bridge and crew) as doing a Season 4 would just be gambling that SPS doesn't get older, frailer, and more unhealthy in that time. It would be what... 2025 before it aired? Not happening.
Sorry to cherry pick but two points stood out to me.
One, why is this a problem? That's not new, and it makes perfect sense to reduce cost. The Voyage Home? Future's End? Assignment: Earth? Why not?
I agree on this point. I don't give a crap about seeing other crewmembers-this is Star Trek: Picard. Tell his story, explore his consequences, find his meaning in getting older and watching new challenges, undoing the Synth ban, helping the Romulans, exploring the struggling places and colonies. That sounds interesting. Not Michael Dorn cameos, or Borg reapperances. Not past, but forward.
Doubtful. The first Season 2 teaser poster has a 21st century city and a bunch of highways in the Starfleet logo. Nobody really understood what it meant.
My guess is, this is now going to be a prequel/sequel to Star Trek: First Contact. In order to make ta world in which humanity got out of World War III ready to welcome the Vulcans in partnership, which Picard helped make possible as we all know, he now also has to go back further and help orchestrate (or prevent) some event that steers Earth away from totalitarianism in the aftermath of the war. Basically making sure Earth goes into the middle of the 21st century on a note where democracy is valued rather than blamed for World War III. Something like that.
It fits I think because Patrick Stewart said a big part of the reason he came back in Season I was because of Trump, the rise of authoritarians across the world, and the dearth of ethical and moral leadership in the world today that Picard represented. He wanted to tell a story in ST:Picard that resonated with the real world rather than was just another sci-fi romp.
Of course, while Season 1 did have a Federation which turned inwards, it was much more about the fallout of the Supernova of 2387, the great android chase, and eventually the really out of place for Star Trek other dimensional-super-android-Cthulhu. Also Seven "John Wick" of Nine. So maybe Season 2 is going to be more on the nose about it.
I don't see any maybe about it.
There's a sanctuary district mentioned on a poster in the trailer
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1435819805949546499/photo/1
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1435819805949546499/photo/1
Well what are the common threads with Time Travel stories such as this? Hiding superior 23rd/24th century technology from the world at large. Befriending by accident some modern day person who helps them. Trying to undo or enable a specific event, or grab or destroy some device. Evading the authorities. Maybe a car chase and some gun fights. Star Trek IV had the privlege of doing it basically first (and best). But every trip to the near present day has more or less followed the same notes, be it Future's End, Past Tense, that Xindi Arc episode in Enterprise Season 3. You can even throw in there Time's Arrow. And yeah, it's a semi-modular story that's produced some pretty good episodes, but nothing new has been said in any of them since Star Trek IV. They're all riffs on it.
I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to credibly accept the stakes being high when Picard and friends are going to have to go back to the 21st century and take equivalent of the Terminator 2 route of making sure Skynet never achieves sentience (so to speak), or the Past Tense route, whereby Picard becomes some important figure in humanity's transition to a new enlightenment.
Yes there is an argument to be said that *this* Star Trek era hasn't done a story like that yet and all the movies and episodes I'm talking about aired between 1984 and 2005, so it's okay to retell that model of story for a new audience. My counter to that is then it should be done on Discovery or Strange New Worlds, not the show whose very name is about the last series of stories about the character who headlined the revival of Star Trek in the 1980s. Nothing about this series should be new viewer friendly. It's a sequel-spinoff. That's Star Trek: Discovery and Strange New Worlds.
I do like the show and I think we're going to appreciate it exists the end when it wraps, if the writers don't fumble it.
Star Trek never did death well. Kirk's death was the kind of thing that should have been easy to write - one of the greatest characters of that era of television and a pop culture giant, performed by an actor with massive presence (and the ego to go with it), and they threw him off a bridge. He should have had a better version of Kor's death or something. The character deserved a viking funeral, not one last round of relevance because he felt old (he wasn't, just overweight).
Dax's death? Man I remember how badly that went. Another meaningless death.
Sisko? He's not really dead. But we'll never see him again and may as well be. The DS9 crew will never reassemble, especially now that Rene Auberjonois is gone. Avery Brooks hasn't acted in nearly 15 years.
Janeway and the Voyager crew? Once Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant, their story was finished. We're getting Holo-Janeway training program.
We're getting with Picard a rare thing: a designed final chapter, and a fitting closure, so by 2025 we'll be able to see the complete life and times of Captain Picard from Encounter on Farpoint through The End, and not be in a position of whishing he had a good end (unlike Kirk) or had real closure (unlike Sisko). That's why I've said, I hope the show ends with him becoming a Q or something (all these tests were about seeing if Picard was truly worthy) and going off to explore infinity, and the last thing we see is some Titanic-ending moment on the Enterprise D with the old crew in their prime. That's how I'd end things.
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