Spoilers Season 2 predictions/discussion thread

[Voodoowoman2]

Having an attraction that she has refused to act on is absolutely not "having an obsession." Spock has been shown to have the same attraction and has refused to act on it for the same reason. Why do you see two characters behaving identically but only ascribe a negative interpretation of the same behavior to the female character?



No. I said, and I quote: "Having said that, I want to see Christine get more stories that are not about her relationships with men or romantic relationships in general. Let's see more about her outside of her love life." That is absolutely not the same thing as claiming she has an obsession.



This is demonstrably false. She pre-emptively shoots him down at the end of "The Serene Squall" just in case he might be there to hit on her. She makes no effort whatsoever to persuade him to be with her the entire rest of the season -- and no, hugging him to comfort him in a moment of pain, suddenly realizing there's an attraction, and freezing, is not "trying to be his girlfriend."



Spock has demonstrated clear attraction to both T'Pring and Christine.
Christine "Hey Spock were you faking it?"

Spock "Of course!"

Christine "Great! So was I!"



True. Christine has shown more reluctance since she pre-emptively told Spock not to hit on her.



Complete bullshit.



"Devious?"

Again, I cannot emphasize enough that Spock and Christine have behaved virtually identically towards one-another, yet you only ascribe sinister intentions to the woman.



More bullshit. Absolutely nothing about her appearance in "A Quality of Mercy"'s future alternate timeline indicates she was pining over him. She was upset that he had been horrifically mutilated in the battle. That is all.

 

[Tuskin38]

Could you fix your post so it's actually readable?

 

[The Wormhole]

A random thought - the reason Una doesn't see anyone in prison is because it isn't Una there but someone else that has agreed to take her place. The real Una is living free somewhere else with a different identity. There was an episode of Spooks that did that and it could happen in SNW if they were writing her character out of the show. All IMHO.

I can't see Una making someone fill in for her in prison so that she can live free somewhere else.

 

[blssdwlf]

I can't see Una making someone fill in for her in prison so that she can live free somewhere else.

You're right. I don't see her agreeing to that either. It's just a random thought

 

[Sci]

Absolutely agree, but now let's let Chapel stand on her own. Jess Bush is more than capable.

I think she's already standing on her own, but I do agree that I want to see some Chapel stories that aren't about her love life.

 

[Gary Bitchell]

Ummmm Incorrect ... for the Era Shatner was considered quit fit.

It wasn't until Arnold started doing his movies that the standard drifted into becoming much more defined.
(and a lot more unreal for most guys)
Before that, very few actors were what you described as "buffed" because that was more of a beach body type.

And I agree with you about Wesley not needing to "fatten up".

lmao. Shatner was fit for a quarter of the series. The rest of the time his stomach was busting out of his uniform and they were faking his abs.

 

[warp-coil]

How’s the Lower Decks/SNW crossover episode going to work with the conflicting timelines? Lower Decks takes place two years after Voyager returns to the Alpha quadrant.

Maybe some sort of dimensional wormhole? Could explain the animation aspect that’s been rumoured.

And the hilarious Carol Kane stepping in as an engineer is really exciting. https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-t...-2-release-date-new-cast-crossovers-and-more/

 

[Mudd]

How’s the Lower Decks/SNW crossover episode going to work with the conflicting timelines?

They're not conflicting. They're separated.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, LD takes place about 122 years after SNW. They're the same timeline and continuity, just separated by more than a century of in-universe history.

 

[warp-coil]

Yeah bad choice of words on my part. I was referring to the length of time between them.

 

[cooleddie74]

Probably a wormhole like you suggested or another temporal anomaly the Cerritos or Enterprise 1701 stumble upon in their own respective timeframe. Maybe something so harmless in appearance neither crew realizes it's a gateway to another time.

 

[The Wormhole]

How’s the Lower Decks/SNW crossover episode going to work with the conflicting timelines? Lower Decks takes place two years after Voyager returns to the Alpha quadrant.

Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey stuff.

Could explain the animation aspect that’s been rumoured.

That's not rumored. That's confirmed.

 

[SimiOne]

I would like to see more of Adrian Holmes as Admiral April.

Same here.
That man probably met President Archer !

 

[mattman8907]

Same here.
That man probably met President Archer !

He probably did.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

SNW fanboys may be the new MCU fanboys. They go out of their way to defend ev

Spock's "attitude" to Christine is more along the lines of "Baby I like you, but it's illogical." now it isn't illogical because there's no attraction because there is. It's illogical because
1. They serve on the same ship. He is technically her CO
2. He has this T"Pring thing going on
3. He would have to explain pon farr to her. She would be horrified.
4. She is human. That's it. She is human.
5. She is a civilian on exchange and will be leaving.
All that said, Spock has a major chemistry with her going on and it makes him feel weak. Very bad for Christine.

 

[Sci]

Spock's "attitude" to Christine is more along the lines of "Baby I like you, but it's illogical."

No, his attitude is that he's in denial to himself about his own romantic feelings towards her because he's not ready to admit that he doesn't love T'Pring and made a terrible mistake in accepting her proposal.

now it isn't illogical because there's no attraction because there is. It's illogical because
1. They serve on the same ship. He is technically her CO

I don't think that's clear actually. I don't think it's been explicitly established that he's second officer.

3. He would have to explain pon farr to her. She would be horrified.

Why would she be "horrified" about a normal biological process for Vulcans? I mean, Christine clearly isn't some Victorian prude who thinks there's something sinful about sex before marriage.

4. She is human. That's it. She is human.

So, as she has noted, is Spock.

5. She is a civilian on exchange and will be leaving.

You speak as though this were set in stone and not subject to change.

All that said, Spock has a major chemistry with her going on and it makes him feel weak. Very bad for Christine.

If Spock feels "weak" because he is falling in love with somebody, that speaks to Spock being messed up and needing therapy, not to it being "bad for Christine."

 

[Pauln6]

No, his attitude is that he's in denial to himself about his own romantic feelings towards her because he's not ready to admit that he doesn't love T'Pring and made a terrible mistake in accepting her proposal.



I don't think that's clear actually. I don't think it's been explicitly established that he's second officer.



Why would she be "horrified" about a normal biological process for Vulcans? I mean, Christine clearly isn't some Victorian prude who thinks there's something sinful about sex before marriage.



So, as she has noted, is Spock.



You speak as though this were set in stone and not subject to change.



If Spock feels "weak" because he is falling in love with somebody, that speaks to Spock being messed up and needing therapy, not to it being "bad for Christine."

I think that the Spock / Chapel / T'Pring stuff is great fun to watch. I think that a percentage of negative views are down to them flirting with violating canon every time they feature them, because they did it so casually on Discovery.

I think Bush, to her credit, was able to research her character and has tried to provide a faithful interpretation of a younger version.

I do think they will introduce a romance with Korby, hopefully largely long distance, in such a way that the dialogue in Walgmo and Amok Time gets a layered meaning rather than contradicted. So when she asks Spock if he's ever been engaged, it's a private joke, her way of saying, don't insult my intelligence, rather than her asking a genuine question.

 

[fireproof78]

A prequel adding subtext to future events?


I am shocked, shocked, I say!

 

[valden]

I think that the Spock / Chapel / T'Pring stuff is great fun to watch. I think that a percentage of negative views are down to them flirting with violating canon every time they feature them, because they did it so casually on Discovery.

I think Bush, to her credit, was able to research her character and has tried to provide a faithful interpretation of a younger version.

I do think they will introduce a romance with Korby, hopefully largely long distance, in such a way that the dialogue in Walgmo and Amok Time gets a layered meaning rather than contradicted. So when she asks Spock if he's ever been engaged, it's a private joke, her way of saying, don't insult my intelligence, rather than her asking a genuine question.

Korby may be in season 2. I also saw some talk on reddit that leia kemoni may be introduced soon since the star date of snw are about to match the time spock meets leia. To Sci We know in TOS Chapel feelings are one sided and spock never called it off with Tpring. So I think what will eventually happen is that spock will have a short term romantic relationship with Chapel. Realise she is not the one or was never truly in love with her either. He will break up with her which will leave Chapel heart broken but at the same time make her fall in love with Korby enough to be engaged to him while spock if by reddit theories which always turns out accurate will meet leia who from tos we know spock felt something for unlike Chapel. Kind of feel stonn was way to early to be introduced. Korby would have made more sense. However I hope the love triangle burns out fast I get the negativity because it feels very teenage cw level and star trek should be above that. Episode 7 seem to be rated the worst negative reviewed episode and this is because the love triangle is more fitting for Riverdale than star trek.

 

[valden]

Please give us an Ortegas story. Maybe she is a widow like the actress Melissa Navia and her spouse had been lost near the Neutral Zone, which would explain why she was so angsty about the Romulans in the finale. It's a better idea that just making her regurgitate Stiles' lines from Balance of Terror. Perhaps her flippant behaviour is her trying to run from her feelings.

Please please stop the Spock/Chapel will they/won't they stuff. I would hate it even if she wasn't supposed to fall for Roger Korby first. The character literally went from "hey, I'm a free spirit, keeping it breezy" to crazy for Spock with one fake kiss. This kind of romance story drives me nuts.

Yes the spock and chapel stuff feels rushed and the love triangle is so cliche but maybe the writers are doing it to appeal to a teen crowd but teens are not into nu star trek. It may have made more sense to see no love triangle and have spock and Tpring be a couple trying to make it work with no external strings to Chapel who is not even meant to know Tpring.
What I find odd is that spock has told her to back off a bit but chapel is not taking no for her answer. I think spock will eventually give in which will end up in disaster and explain why in tos Chapel feeling are unrequited. However the one issue is that because jess Bush is so different from majel barret Chapel I wonder how beliavable or good the writing will be especially when Korby comes along and chapel has to get engaged to him while still pinning over spock who is now destined to meet other women like leia kemoni.