Sounds good but it doesn't have the kind of broadbase appeal that a TOS recasting does.
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Nor is it anything like Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek. I watched an Interview with George Takei a couple of days back and he was talking about how Gene had a this positive vision of the future and that was at the very core of Star Trek.
I think this proposal would have made a good tv series or movie, but it really isn't Star Trek.
I think this proposal would have made a good tv series or movie, but it really isn't Star Trek.
Not to dispute your own personal opinions on why you like Star Trek, but it is so much more than just Gene's so-called 'optimistic view of the future' which so many people subscribe to.
It's a whole mixture of elements, from the swashbuckling space-adventure to the real-world allegory to the introspective insight into the human condition, with plenty of humour (both light and dark), interesting characters, gadgets, aliens, storylines, science-fiction concepts, and the list goes on. Sure the optimistic view of the future is there but it's not the be all and end all - it's just the one-note answer that people trump out when asked why is Star Trek popular.
Star Trek was intended to be a concept show, which could showcase many different stories, be they fluffy hippie episodes, comedy shows about Tribbles, gritty stories about war and its effects on people, even prequels, nothing was meant to be outside the show's storytelling possibilities.
This script, on the surface could have a good deal of those elements while telling an entertaining tale with an interesting theme. It could have been a classic war-story, along with a sense of social responsibility highlighted by humanity's growing influence in the galaxy through the Coalition of Planets and contact with aliens, not to mention Tiberius Chase (God, how I hate that name) sorid past involvement with a Terra-Prime-like group.
And, as to its success at the box office, if Paramount had put the advertising and spin into this movie they way they have with Abrahms one, it could very well have been a hit. Hell, it's still no guarantee that Abrahms film will be a hit, it could bomb terribly.
It's a whole mixture of elements, from the swashbuckling space-adventure to the real-world allegory to the introspective insight into the human condition, with plenty of humour (both light and dark), interesting characters, gadgets, aliens, storylines, science-fiction concepts, and the list goes on. Sure the optimistic view of the future is there but it's not the be all and end all - it's just the one-note answer that people trump out when asked why is Star Trek popular.
Star Trek was intended to be a concept show, which could showcase many different stories, be they fluffy hippie episodes, comedy shows about Tribbles, gritty stories about war and its effects on people, even prequels, nothing was meant to be outside the show's storytelling possibilities.
This script, on the surface could have a good deal of those elements while telling an entertaining tale with an interesting theme. It could have been a classic war-story, along with a sense of social responsibility highlighted by humanity's growing influence in the galaxy through the Coalition of Planets and contact with aliens, not to mention Tiberius Chase (God, how I hate that name) sorid past involvement with a Terra-Prime-like group.
And, as to its success at the box office, if Paramount had put the advertising and spin into this movie they way they have with Abrahms one, it could very well have been a hit. Hell, it's still no guarantee that Abrahms film will be a hit, it could bomb terribly.
This would have bombed.
Nice idea to try and do something different, but who are you aiming this at? I just cannot see the average movie-going public sitting through a two-and-a-half-hour science fiction war movie.
It all sounds so ponderous. Only way to do this would have been a massive budget. Which I dont think they would have got. Which to me suggests cheap CGI.
I think it would have alienated both audiences.
No, thank you.
Nice idea to try and do something different, but who are you aiming this at? I just cannot see the average movie-going public sitting through a two-and-a-half-hour science fiction war movie.
It all sounds so ponderous. Only way to do this would have been a massive budget. Which I dont think they would have got. Which to me suggests cheap CGI.
I think it would have alienated both audiences.
No, thank you.
Roddenberry's lyrics to the TOS theme don't make me cringe as much as the Jendresen's poetry(?)
Exactly. In the same interview I talked about George said that DS9 had gone a little off track from Gene's vision. Now I love DS9, but I do agree that it did get a little too dark at times.
I don't think Trek needs to get any darker. Xenophobic Isolationist space Nazis fighting an interstellar war and attempting genocide is probably as far away from Gene's vision as you can get.
I would love to see a good space war film, and the concept of the script is decent, but it's not right for Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.
I don't think Trek needs to get any darker. Xenophobic Isolationist space Nazis fighting an interstellar war and attempting genocide is probably as far away from Gene's vision as you can get.
I would love to see a good space war film, and the concept of the script is decent, but it's not right for Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.
Penelope, I am going where so many have
gone before - to the place where all
paths lead, and all journeys end. Please
know, my love, that if I do nothing
else...that at least...I go there boldly.”
-Tiberius Chase
September 18, 2159
D-Day Minus 1
I think it was Harrison Ford who said to George Lucas:
"George, you can write this shit, but you can't say it!"
gone before - to the place where all
paths lead, and all journeys end. Please
know, my love, that if I do nothing
else...that at least...I go there boldly.”
-Tiberius Chase
September 18, 2159
D-Day Minus 1
I think it was Harrison Ford who said to George Lucas:
"George, you can write this shit, but you can't say it!"
"Beverly, I am going where so many have
gone before - to the place where all
paths lead, and all journeys end. Risa.
Know, my love, that if I do nothing
else...that at least...I go there baldly"
-Jean-Luc Picard in a state of dementia
September 31, 2288
MTV-VJ-Day Negative 0
gone before - to the place where all
paths lead, and all journeys end. Risa.
Know, my love, that if I do nothing
else...that at least...I go there baldly"
-Jean-Luc Picard in a state of dementia
September 31, 2288
MTV-VJ-Day Negative 0
Everything sort of gels until the end. The "mission" is just plan stupid: steal a nuclear weapon and travel it all across space to go deep into Romulan territory (with one ship, I might add) and...do what exactly? Obliterate an entire race? A homeworld? Presumably, with a massive fleet of far more capable warships waiting for them? What the hell kind of thinking is that?
It would've worked better if Tiberius Chase planned to kidnap a high-ranking Romulan official (or the Preator, more specifically), hold him/her hostage, take him/her back to Earth and demand that the Romulans don't surrender, but call a truce. It would make more sense, and also play into Roddenberry's idealism more. You have the daring and risky mission to go into the heart of Romulan space, to the homeworld, kidnap the Preator or whoever is in charge, and bring that person back home. It's incredibly risky, but it at least forces diplomacy on both sides. Perhaps Earth is preparing a retaliation after the Romulans attached Earth, and Chase wants to avoid this by trying to create a peaceful resolution. I don't see how blowing them all to smithereens helps matters. Sure, is it indicative of our current administration's mentality? Yeah. Is it at all reminiscent of Roddenberry's original message for Star Trek? Absolutely not.
Anyway, just my notes. It's a relatively smart concept, very innovative and daring in its approach (at least for Trek) but the last act just falls completely apart in its stupidity. Fix that, and you may have had something.
It would've worked better if Tiberius Chase planned to kidnap a high-ranking Romulan official (or the Preator, more specifically), hold him/her hostage, take him/her back to Earth and demand that the Romulans don't surrender, but call a truce. It would make more sense, and also play into Roddenberry's idealism more. You have the daring and risky mission to go into the heart of Romulan space, to the homeworld, kidnap the Preator or whoever is in charge, and bring that person back home. It's incredibly risky, but it at least forces diplomacy on both sides. Perhaps Earth is preparing a retaliation after the Romulans attached Earth, and Chase wants to avoid this by trying to create a peaceful resolution. I don't see how blowing them all to smithereens helps matters. Sure, is it indicative of our current administration's mentality? Yeah. Is it at all reminiscent of Roddenberry's original message for Star Trek? Absolutely not.
Anyway, just my notes. It's a relatively smart concept, very innovative and daring in its approach (at least for Trek) but the last act just falls completely apart in its stupidity. Fix that, and you may have had something.
While not perfect, I thought that this had the makings of a good movie. Don't forget that it was only a first draft. I liked that it retained a lot of Trek lore but stylistically was way different from any previous Trek movie or series. It was like ST mixed with Top Gun, Band of Brothers and Space Above and Beyond. I'm not sure how commercially successful it would have been, but no-one could have accused it of being too samey, a criticism validly levelled at recent Trek movies.
I don't see a "war story" as necessarily dark. It would depend on how it's dealt with. If they decide to go the route of making this war seem like it's necessary for survival and something the Fed struggles with, I could see it. What would the US do if we got invaded? We aren't going to invite the invaders over for tea, we'll fight. Defense is neccessary.
On the other hand, if they go and make Trek into Wars, they can go elsewhere. I like Wars, but they're different.
Wow... A disgraced rogue steals Earth's most important new ship to go commit genocide with a Nazi nuclear bomb he borrowed from some anti-alien extremists. It just reeks of Star Trek! Or, well, it reeks of something.
Too bad, because it might have been decent up until the final act. The end comes across like the sort of crap you'd expect from Michael Bay.
Too bad, because it might have been decent up until the final act. The end comes across like the sort of crap you'd expect from Michael Bay.
Oh thank god this was never produced. This just reminds me of Independence Day or Starship Troopers. Mindless sci-fi blockbuster explosion factory, with a tacky frosting of idiotic bravado slathered on top. It's bad enough Star Trek was copying itself for the better part of the Berman years, but for it then to start copying the trite and contrived plot constructs of Hollywood war films? That would have been the end. Star Trek should at least try to be original and thought provoking; should at least try to compel people to better themselves. It's not just about the boom-booms.
Jendersen sounds like he's trying to make Band of Brothers in space. That's very different from Star Wars, which is an updating of the Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers style of space opera, with some elements of Dune, WWII films, Westerns, American Graffiti and Kurasawa films all blended together.
In this script, the Romulan war reaches Earth. Problem with that.
Apparently the writer never saw that episode of DS9 where it was pointed out that no alien race had ever successfully attacked Earth (it was the one where the Breen blow up part of San Francisco).
Apparently the writer never saw that episode of DS9 where it was pointed out that no alien race had ever successfully attacked Earth (it was the one where the Breen blow up part of San Francisco).
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