Screw Khan! I want the Borg for Trek 12!

[Trek4Ever]

Title pretty sums up this post. I don't think revisiting Khan is a good idea for the next sequel. I'd rather see Kirk and co. take on the Borg. Come up with some MacGuffin as to why they encounter them earlier than they should and you have a kick ass film. Hell if they're going to change the timeline let's see how 23rd century Starfleet can stand up to the Borg. Any takers?

 

[miraclefan]

Title pretty sums up this post. I don't think revisiting Khan is a good idea for the next sequel. I'd rather see Kirk and co. take on the Borg. Come up with some MacGuffin as to why they encounter them earlier than they should and you have a kick ass film. Hell if they're going to change the timeline let's see how 23rd century Starfleet can stand up to the Borg. Any takers?

Where the HELL is that PHANTOM ZONE triangle prision when you NEED it?

 

[Newski]

Yes. Let's make another typical Enterprise vs. Villains movie, and have a story about humans and their allies fighting Alien Invaders again! Who cares about something new?

Both Khan and the Borg should be left alone. No direct remakes, no "Reinventing" things. Just a new story, about the Enterprise and her crew.

 

[Myasishchev]

I hope I never see the Borg again for as long as I live.

 

[Newski]

I hope I never see the Borg again for as long as I live.

The Borg were cool villains when they were unique, and almost a rare treat....

Like "Q" they were cheapened by Star Trek Voyager... But instead of being reduced to mere comic relief they just became vague Alien Invaders....


Next Generation was brilliant with them... They created this strange, mindless creatures... A destructive, violent force... Made them the enemy that is to be feared above all enemies....

And then, they HUMANIZED them, and completely turned everything on its head. yet they never contradicted themselves about them.

Then Voyager came along, made them the weekly bad guy, made them weak, made them cheap, and took pretty much did everything wrong.

And they became so overused I don't even want to hear about them. Surprisingly, their brief stint on 'Enterprise' did not completely suck like I would have thought. But then again, I'm one of the people who is forgiving to that show (but not one of the fans of it).

 

[msbae]

No.

 

[Myasishchev]

I hope I never see the Borg again for as long as I live.

The Borg were cool villains when they were unique, and almost a rare treat....

Like "Q" they were cheapened by Star Trek Voyager... But instead of being reduced to mere comic relief they just became vague Alien Invaders....


Next Generation was brilliant with them... They created this strange, mindless creatures... A destructive, violent force... Made them the enemy that is to be feared above all enemies....

And then, they HUMANIZED them, and completely turned everything on its head. yet they never contradicted themselves about them.

Then Voyager came along, made them the weekly bad guy, made them weak, made them cheap, and took pretty much did everything wrong.

And they became so overused I don't even want to hear about them. Surprisingly, their brief stint on 'Enterprise' did not completely suck like I would have thought. But then again, I'm one of the people who is forgiving to that show (but not one of the fans of it).

I love to blame things on Voyager, but on this one I think it was TNG's own First Contact. Voyager likely would've found a way to ruin them on their own, but FC did them no favors.

 

[Newski]

I hope I never see the Borg again for as long as I live.

The Borg were cool villains when they were unique, and almost a rare treat....

Like "Q" they were cheapened by Star Trek Voyager... But instead of being reduced to mere comic relief they just became vague Alien Invaders....


Next Generation was brilliant with them... They created this strange, mindless creatures... A destructive, violent force... Made them the enemy that is to be feared above all enemies....

And then, they HUMANIZED them, and completely turned everything on its head. yet they never contradicted themselves about them.

Then Voyager came along, made them the weekly bad guy, made them weak, made them cheap, and took pretty much did everything wrong.

And they became so overused I don't even want to hear about them. Surprisingly, their brief stint on 'Enterprise' did not completely suck like I would have thought. But then again, I'm one of the people who is forgiving to that show (but not one of the fans of it).

I love to blame things on Voyager, but on this one I think it was TNG's own First Contact. Voyager likely would've found a way to ruin them on their own, but FC did them no favors.

Fair enough.... Though I am a fan for First Contact, I'd have to admit this movie completely changed their MO.....

Shatner's books didn't help either, but luckily those atrocities are non canon....

 

[Anthony Sabre]

No. Borg. Ever. Again.

A once great and fearsome enemy was reduced to the triviality of Storm Troopers.

 

[Da'an]

The only problem with the Borg in Star Trek XII, is if done RIGHT then there would never be a Star Trek XIII, or any other Star Trek, ever again.

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

If they re-invented the borg and once again made them fearsome and mysterious I would love to see them in the next film.

If not, don't bother.

 

[Hober Mallow]

No. Borg. Ever. Again.

 

[Trek4Ever]

If they re-invented the borg and once again made them fearsome and mysterious I would love to see them in the next film.

If not, don't bother.

This is exactly what I was getting at, I don't want the Voyagerized/Hugh Borg but a reinvented nastier version of the Borg. And it wouldn't take much explaining to do. After all the Borg that Kirk and co. would encounter hail from the 23rd century, who knows how they were like in the Prime Universe?
I think a fresh look at the Borg from someone other than Berman/Braga would breathe new life into that enemy and spare us yet another movie with Klingons (if I ever see another Bird of Prey again...) or revenge-minded maniacs.
If not the Borg then how about the Dominion?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Khan's story would be fun to see played out in the 22nd C, when the Eugenics War presumably happened, but the whole Botany Bay routine - snore.

I'm very pro-Borg but they must be handled in a very specific way - they must always win, even escape from them must be very difficult, and assimilation is P E R M A N E N T, no frakkin exceptions EVER!

The Borg have been destroyed because their credibility has been destroyed. Making them a truly heart-stoppingly serious threat is the only antidote and the only way to bring them back.

For maximum credibility, the Borg should be allowed to permanently (and I do mean permanently) assimilate a fan-favorite character. The best of all possible candidates: McCoy.

If not the Borg then how about the Dominion?

I'm also very pro-Dominion. Which as the true anti-Federation would be far easier to integrate into future stories on a frequent basis. The Borg should be used extremely sparingly; you can't keep using a foe who wins every battle.

Seeing the 23rd C Federation try to cope with the Dominion would be big fun.

 

[DontFeedPhil]

I agree with the last 2 posers. Id love to see the Borg vrs Kirk and Co. But they have to be done in a very specific way and almost unstoppable...

 

[Newski]

The problem with Khan, the Borg, and the Dominion is they fall into this "Trap" that many "reboots" do... Where they feel everything has to be reintroduced. Why? Why does everything have to be reintroduced and reimagined? Why do we have to follow the old stories and old enemies?


Why cant we use this opportunity to actually see new enemies, new stories, new worlds, ect? Sure, Khan still exists in the Abrams universe. And maybe he will grapple with Kirk. Is it that important? No.

I don't want a new, scary, badass rendition of the Borg. I don't want New Dominion. Mostly because we already know who they are, no matter how "cool" they try to make them.

Let's have new aliens, new enemies, and when we do have races and characters we already know exist, let's not try to "re introduce them". That'll make the Abrams universe just as idiotic as "Ultimate Marvel."

 

[Middle Earther]

Neither for me. I want to see NEW ideas that come from the major catastrophes in XI. Vulcan culture's adapations - perhaps developing some of the other Federation founders' cultures (Andorian, Tellarite). I would think the whole idea of "Reunification" will be an issue that suddenly becomes looked at more intensely and seriously by the Vulcan gov't.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The problem with Khan, the Borg, and the Dominion is they fall into this "Trap" that many "reboots" do... Where they feel everything has to be reintroduced. Why? Why does everything have to be reintroduced and reimagined? Why do we have to follow the old stories and old enemies?

There certainly can be new foes as well, but if the old ones have some oomph left in them, why not use them as well? Good villains aren't all that easy for writers to dream up; thinking of all the villain species/cultures that Trek has introduced, very few of them are worth re-visiting. Most are disposable and interchangeable, without anything unique to distinguish them.

Most of all, tho, Trek needs to get to work on the Romulans. I hoped Trek XI would do something to draw out and expand on the elements that make Romulans worthwhile, but instead we got a fairly generic revenge story. There was little reason for Nero to be a Romulan, specifically. What I want is a story where the Romulans must be Romulans, and the story could not work otherwise.

 

[Da'an]

How about the the Romulans contracted a Phage-type disease and the only way to cure themselves is by using a key component of Vulcan biology. Obviously being living tissue, it can't be replicated (not that they'd have replicators back then anyway).

Even if it means 1 Vulcan dead for every x Romulan lives saved.

Needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few, and all that...

 

[Newski]

Most of all, tho, Trek needs to get to work on the Romulans. I hoped Trek XI would do something to draw out and expand on the elements that make Romulans worthwhile, but instead we got a fairly generic revenge story. There was little reason for Nero to be a Romulan, specifically. What I want is a story where the Romulans must be Romulans, and the story could not work otherwise.

But do you know what's great with XI and how they did Romulans? We have set up the world where we can REALLY expand on Romulans... After all, Nobody saw them during the war, not until Balance of Terror... Or, not until Eleven as the case may be. And Nero was not acting on Behalf of the Romulan empire.


Vulcan's been destroyed. News of Romulus's possible destruction. Plenty of people in the federation and the Romulan empire are going to be feeling this one... And that's a great set up for future stories.