Scotty in the Pipe

[JarodRussell]

So "the rule" is that once one movie becomes famous for doing something well, that same concept is off-limits to the rest of Hollywood?

The "rule" is that they should be more original. There's a lot more than "ice planets" or "desert planets". And yeah well, while we're at it, there's also more than an energy beam firing at a planet to destroy it. Now if that wasn't a blatant rip off of the Death Star superlaser then I don't know (it already has been a total rip off in that Enterprise episode with the Xindi superweapon, and now the movie ripped it off yet again).

And I'm saying it again, the Scotty in the pipe scene is totally taken from Williy Wonka. Even the design and color of the friggin' pipe is the same!

 

[Shazam!]

If you think Hollywood has any kind of nobility, restraint or respect for or within itself then you must also still think that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real.

I don't believe that because I saw Star Trek XI.

 

[seigezunt]

My man Scotty?

On the pipe?

Noooo!

Crack is whack, brutha!

 

[shapeshifter]

It never ceases to amaze me when, on the one hand people claim The Paramount Importance of Strict Adherence to Canon but on the other hand the same people do not not seem to remember or don't even know what is canonized or not.

The possibility of a chance meeting between Spock and Kirk is totally within canon thanks to one sentence said by Spock in an OS episode. :-P

I have no choice but to dismiss a great deal of Members complaints about this film based on what is obviously just a desire to have something to bitch about.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The thing that bugged me about that scene was how much it felt like a copy of Star Wars - either the voyage through the Naboo core ("There's always a bigger fish") or the arena fight, or Luke on Hoth, or... It just really wasn't necessary.

"The film series began with Star Wars, released on May 25, 1977"

"The original Star Trek was an American television series, created by Gene Roddenberry, which debuted in 1966"

I don't think ice planets or getting eaten on foreign planets is the exclusive domain of star wars.

Yes, they are, because pop culture identifies ice planets with Star Wars.

I guess it's a good thing Pop Culture doesn't make movies, innit? Otherwise, Star Trek would be forever hampered by trying to avoid things that in any way resemble things that other science fiction movies have done.

How about a desert planet with carnivorous aliens?
- Pitch Black did it!
How about jungle planet inhabited by green apelike...
- Avatar did it
How about a forest planet with...
- Star Wars did it
Screw the planets, then. How about an alien ship that moves by folding space and creating a wormhole...
- Dune did it.
How about a race of incredibly ancient aliens who
- Babylon 5 did it
How about a race of microscopic people who..
- Simpsons did it

Wouldn't be much left after that.

San Francisco in the new Star Trek looks like Coruscant.

And Coruscant looks alot like Dallas.

Maybe George Lucas should sue?

 

[M'Sharak]

I don't think ice planets or getting eaten on foreign planets is the exclusive domain of star wars.

Yes, they are, because pop culture identifies ice planets with Star Wars. San Francisco in the new Star Trek looks like Coruscant.

I don't know--maybe I just haven't watched any of the Star Wars movies other than the first one enough times, but neither the ice planet and monsters nor the San Francisco skyline as pictured in Star Trek made me think even for a second of Star Wars.

So "the rule" is that once one movie becomes famous for doing something well, that same concept is off-limits to the rest of Hollywood?

The "rule" is that they should be more original. There's a lot more than "ice planets" or "desert planets". And yeah well, while we're at it, there's also more than an energy beam firing at a planet to destroy it. Now if that wasn't a blatant rip off of the Death Star superlaser then I don't know (it already has been a total rip off in that Enterprise episode with the Xindi superweapon, and now the movie ripped it off yet again).

By the same token, I didn't think at all of Star Wars and the Death Star when seeing either the Xindi weapon or the GSD. Maybe I need to go watch Star Wars movies some more, but it took me years to get around to seeing RotJ for the first time and I still haven't seen RotS, so it might take a while before I'll be able to see all this Star Wars stuff in the movie for what it really is.

And I'm saying it again, the Scotty in the pipe scene is totally taken from Williy Wonka. Even the design and color of the friggin' pipe is the same!

Wait, the Willy Wonka pipe is ripped from Star Wars, too?! No way!

Disagree about the color, though: in Willy Wonka, the flanges were more a pinkish color, as evidenced by your image above -- in Star Trek, they're orange. As for flange design, however, that's pretty much form following function, there.

 

[npsf3000]

I guess it's a good thing Pop Culture doesn't make movies, innit? Otherwise, Star Trek would be forever hampered by trying to avoid things that in any way resemble things that other science fiction movies have done.

On that, I recently watched Dirty Harry. If no-one used similar elements there goes dozens of great films.

 

[Too Much Fun]

I was just thinking about this scene as I watched "Day of the Dove". In the episode, Spock states that intership beaming was rare and considered dangerous at the time. It made me remember the movie acknowledging the fact that transporting wasn't quite as flawless in the era of Kirk as it was in Star Trek shows set in later periods.

Spock even mentions the risk of ending up in a solid object like a deck or a wall. I guess in "Star Trek" 2009, the scene showing a risk of beaming in unusual circumstances was mostly made for comedy, but I can now think of it as also being a neat bit of continuity from that episode (even if it wasn't intentionally written that way).

 

[Trekker4747]

NERCOMANCY!!!!!

 

[kkozoriz1]

You want to show that long distance beaming is dangerous? Kill Scotty. Beam him into the engines or a bulkhead. Don't just turn it into a great big waterslide. And wasn't it funny that the pipes just happened to be transparent?

 

[Gojira]

I had no problem whatsoever with Scotty being beamed into the pipe. It did show that transwarp beaming was risky. I also thought the scene had humor and tension mixed pretty well together.

Now the scene after that when security is chasing them, that is my only big problem with the movie (and I do love the movie) because engineering looks so much like a brewery there that it does take me out of the picture for a few moments.

 

[The Borg Queen]

The scene with the choppy blades was totally ripped off from Galaxy Quest!

edit: Oh wait, I already said that. About nine months ago!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Holy dead thread resurrection, Batman!

I got a kick out of the pipe scene. It was silly and childish (and to the best of my knowledge the one and only Willy Wonka reference in Star Trek history), but I LOL'd. Thus it did what it set out to do. I LOL'd again at the idea that the Enterprise would have a water (actually, inert reactant according to the pipe and graphics) pipe leading to a giant blender.

I can understand why those who were offended to the very core by STV's elevator shaft scene, or the Riker/Viceroy fight over a bottomless pit in Nemesis, hated it, as well as those who prefer to see intergalactic diplomacy debated in endless detail.

The scene also reminded me of TAS, since for some reason there's a vertical pipe that looks just like the STXI one stuck in the middle of Scotty's TAS engine room.

 

[Amaris]

I enjoyed that scene as well. As for the blade thing, that could have easily been a filtration system. Possibly magnetically charged to remove impurities before the reactant entered the power generation system. Just an idea only to illustrate that there are actually a couple of legit reasons why such a device would exist.

 

[Photoman15]

It was a little silly, but it didn't bother me. What's really funny is that when Scotty falls to the ground, Kirk gets wet as well, but the next time we see him he's totally dry.

Scotty's from Scotland, which is part of Great Britain. ANYTHING from there needs to be able to dry out almost instantly...

I thought the scene was amusing. But I like Keenser, the Brewery and that the ship is 725 meters long.

718...

725 is a guesstimate from the second announcement by the company that's making the plastic model...

Scotty was just plain lucky that in this timeline warp drives can use water for coolant. In the 24th Century of the original timeline, warp coolant is this REALLY nasty stuff that DISINTEGRATES organic matter...

That wasn't a coolant tank/tubes. It was part of the water reclamation center, not part of main engineering. It was NOT plasma coolant.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^The pipes themselves say "INERT REACTANT" on them. I doubt it's a brand name, although it does sound like a rubbish band

 

[M'Sharak]

I enjoyed that scene as well. As for the blade thing, that could have easily been a filtration system. Possibly magnetically charged to remove impurities before the reactant entered the power generation system. Just an idea only to illustrate that there are actually a couple of legit reasons why such a device would exist.

Or it could simply be a turbine rotor - some of those are pretty wicked-looking in the universe we live in.

From Chakoteya's transcript site:

COMPUTER VOICE: Turbine release valve activated.
(Scott falls out of the release valve)

And from the version of the script at IMSDb, clearly not the final draft but indicating what was supposed to be happening in that scene:

And Kirk runs after him -- down the length of the ORANGE, TWISTING and TURNING tubes -- SCOTTY SEEN every time he enters a CLEAR TUBE AREA -- then DISAPPEARING again into the ORANGE tubes -- and Scotty gets sucked UPWARDS -- and Kirk turns and looks -- FOLLOWS THE LENGTH OF TUBE -- SEEING WHERE IT'S HEADING -- TO A GIANT WATER TURBINE -- essentially? A MASSIVE FUCKING BLENDER.

KIRK: -- no--nonono--

And Kirk HAULS ASS to the control panel -- we see the huge machine -- overhead, the RELEASE VALVE under the pipe -- and Kirk works as fast as he can --

-- but the COMPUTER SAYS:

COMPUTER VOICE: Turbine Shutdown Not Allowed.

KIRK: DAMNIT!

(Some reformatting has been performed by me on the above text, since the board software won't display in script format.)

^The pipes themselves say "INERT REACTANT" on them. I doubt it's a brand name, although it does sound like a rubbish band

It's also sort of an oxymoron from a chemist's standpoint, seems to me, but I don't mind sight gags of that sort.

 

[kkozoriz1]

The whole INERT REACTANT raised my eyebrow as well. What exactly was something inert supposed to be reacting with?

 

[ST-One]

The whole INERT REACTANT raised my eyebrow as well. What exactly was something inert supposed to be reacting with?

Nothing. That's rather the point, isn't it?

 

[The Borg Queen]

The whole INERT REACTANT raised my eyebrow as well. What exactly was something inert supposed to be reacting with?

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