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Scotland to leave the UK?

You were also part of Alex Salmond's 'arc of prosperity' that included Iceland too. Scotland was to be part of that prosperous arc. All of a sudden, a couple of years ago, he dropped the expression, like a gull had shat on it, for some inexplicable reason.
 
Interesting UK facts - CR0 in Croydon is the only post code in the entire country/nation that has an 0 area. (Because believe it or not, that's where they started.) - Croydon has CR0, CR2, CR3, CR4, CR5, CR6, CR7, CR8 & CR9... London has SE, SW, WC, EC, W, E, N, & NW post codes going from SW1 - SW20 or SE1 to SE27...

Northern Ireland, as a whole country... Only has one post code area. BT - which stands for Belfast... This goes from BT1 to BT94... Only one post code for the entire country... The mind boggles.
Not that it matters but the UK is a post code lottery and where I live is great.
 
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Looks like support for independence has risen; especially high amongst the under-24s it seems and there's enough undecideds that I wouldn't count out a narrow win depending on turnout and whether the next few years in the run-up to referendum change some minds.

I'm sure we'll see more of these polls over the coming years. Should be quite exciting come referendum time!
 
This is the sort of statement, like "whatever you do, don't mention the war" which is essentially a red herring. Some things in history impact on what happens right now. The English and the Irish have made their peace. They have gone their own way for coming up for 90 years now. Despite what activists in NI would have the world believe, my feeling is that Ireland doesn't want that province any more than the UK does - it's a real poisoned chalice.

Thanks for giving a serious answer to a 6am-haven't slept-being silly nonsense comment.

I appreciate it. ;)

I wish people wouldn't take me seriously!
 
You were also part of Alex Salmond's 'arc of prosperity' that included Iceland too. Scotland was to be part of that prosperous arc. All of a sudden, a couple of years ago, he dropped the expression, like a gull had shat on it, for some inexplicable reason.

We also have Farmfoods, they do 1 liter of milk fo a £1.:p
 
Also known as reality
Well, I'm sure that those being oppressed would be comforted by the fact that they're living in reality.

Being Irish I'm sure you're happy that sheep are a renewable resource?
But were sheep really the reason for what Britain did to Ireland in the past couple of hundred of years?
Nah, it was leprechaun gold that they were after. We kept telling them that leprechauns aren't real, but they spent centuries looking for it. :(

Seriously, Britain's main reason for wanting Ireland seems to have been to stop the French or Spanish from having it. If they had control of Ireland, Britain's western coast would have been vulnerable to invasion, not to mention the potential for disruption of Atlantic shipping.

This is the sort of statement, like "whatever you do, don't mention the war" which is essentially a red herring. Some things in history impact on what happens right now. The English and the Irish have made their peace.
We can forgive, but never forget. ;)
 
Also, it should be noted that Alaska has the Alaska Independence Party, which is a viable 3rd party in Alaska. But I promise...if Alaska tried to gain independence, with all of her oil reserves....Washington would not just shrug it's shoulders and say "Oh well...bummer it didn't work out, but we paid for Alaska out of pocket change anyway, so who cares?" ;).

Point taken, but of course it's still more complicated even than that. Washington would have other things to consider before committing to anything; any response to an independence movement from a central government would itself require response, in the diplomatic arena.:)

If Alaska decided to become an independent nation, Washington would no longer have a claim to its oil. If it were to use force to prevent or reverse a genuine popularist movement for independence, it would have to face the diplomatic fallout. It would effectively be a statement that the USA is merely a power-hungry empire rather than, as it claims, a morally upright non-coercive federation. In other words, would the government risk giving the country's critics an excuse to justify further tarring?
 
Nah, it was leprechaun gold that they were after. We kept telling them that leprechauns aren't real, but they spent centuries looking for it. :(

Clandestine operations continue to this day, TheGodBen. We will find the end of that rainbow, no matter how skillfully you people concealed it. :shifty:
 
You were also part of Alex Salmond's 'arc of prosperity' that included Iceland too. Scotland was to be part of that prosperous arc. All of a sudden, a couple of years ago, he dropped the expression, like a gull had shat on it, for some inexplicable reason.

We also have Farmfoods, they do 1 liter of milk fo a £1.:p

I remember Iceland when it was Bejam.

God theres a name that takes me back, right up there with Coopers finefare and Galbraith's.
 
If Alaska decided to become an independent nation, Washington would no longer have a claim to its oil. If it were to use force to prevent or reverse a genuine popularist movement for independence, it would have to face the diplomatic fallout. It would effectively be a statement that the USA is merely a power-hungry empire rather than, as it claims, a morally upright non-coercive federation. In other words, would the government risk giving the country's critics an excuse to justify further tarring?

Not to mention which I imagine waging a war would be a bit expensive up there considering the distance to US military bases in the contiguous states and the conditions.
 
Interesting UK facts - CR0 in Croydon is the only post code in the entire country/nation that has an 0 area.

I knew that if I read the thread for long enough, I'd find something interesting. :D



On topic, let the Scots leave if they vote for it in a referendum. Will be fairly cost-neutral, and quite possibly save us money, and the average life expectancy of the country will go up too. :D

However, I don't think they'll ever vote to leave. A small country in the EU has less sway than a big one, let alone in the world, and even on their most anti-English day, most Scots will realise that. This is all just a (shrewd) negotiating gambit by Salmond, to try to avoid their subsidy getting cut, and should be treated in that vein rather than as a serious risk.
 
Ahh the old Scots hate the English and vise versa.....and all a media driven stereotype.......Most Scots like most English don't care where somebody comes from or how they speak.

Its just a pity the media try and reinforce this nonsense at every opportunity...its one stereotype that gets my back up at times.
 
Ahh the old Scots hate the English and vise versa.....and all a media driven stereotype.......Most Scots like most English don't care where somebody comes from or how they speak.

Its just a pity the media try and reinforce this nonsense at every opportunity...its one stereotype that gets my back up at times.

it's like during the 80's hatred for thatcher in Scotland interpreted as hatred for the English or dislike of Bush as hatred for Americans. It's all over played by the media because it's good for the media.

There is no hatred for the English or anyone else in Scotland, we just feel as though we are not listened too in Westminster, but I think that is true of anywhere outside the M25.
 
Nah, it was leprechaun gold that they were after. We kept telling them that leprechauns aren't real, but they spent centuries looking for it. :(

Clandestine operations continue to this day, TheGodBen. We will find the end of that rainbow, no matter how skillfully you people concealed it. :shifty:

You forgot about the secret Irish fifth column and when our time is right we shall...

Oh feck. Here's a Guinness.
{whistles nonchalantly}
 
If Alaska decided to become an independent nation, Washington would no longer have a claim to its oil. If it were to use force to prevent or reverse a genuine popularist movement for independence, it would have to face the diplomatic fallout. It would effectively be a statement that the USA is merely a power-hungry empire rather than, as it claims, a morally upright non-coercive federation. In other words, would the government risk giving the country's critics an excuse to justify further tarring?

Not to mention which I imagine waging a war would be a bit expensive up there considering the distance to US military bases in the contiguous states and the conditions.

Well, first of all, the US Government has never had a problem going up against the rest of the world in terms of public opinion. Invasion of Iraq, anyone? Our utter lack of meaningful response to global warming?

Nah...sadly, our politicians have no trouble flipping off the rest of the world when it suits them. And are perfectly capable of justifying in their own minds a war to keep a state in line...even after dogging Russia for the better part of 2 decades about their supposed abysmal treatment of Chechnya. :lol: Our governmental leaders are experts at compartmentalization and rationalization. I think they have to take classes or something. :p

As for the logistics of a theoretical war for Alaska (which will never happen...but let's just pretend)...well, there is a tremendous amount of military personnel already IN Alaska. Elemendorf AFB and Ft. Richardson in Anchorage, Ft. Greely and Ft. Wainwright in Fairbanks, and a couple of nice sized bases out in the Aleutians keeping an eye on those Russians, don't you know. :lol: It wouldn't surprise me if 1/4 to 1/5 of the population of the state was military, in fact. So it wouldn't be one of those Napoleon invades Russia kind of deals...although the climatic issues are similar.

No...as long as the US needs oil, Alaska isn't going anywhere. Even if most of the residents of the state could quite easily do without the Lower 48 most of the time.:lol:
 
Seriously, Britain's main reason for wanting Ireland seems to have been to stop the French or Spanish from having it. If they had control of Ireland, Britain's western coast would have been vulnerable to invasion, not to mention the potential for disruption of Atlantic shipping.
Hmmm...
 
Clandestine operations continue to this day, TheGodBen. We will find the end of that rainbow, no matter how skillfully you people concealed it. :shifty:
No! Rainbows are created when light is refracted through water droplets, not by magical little Irishmen hoarding pots of gold! Leave our country alone! :wah:

Go back to looking for that monster in Loch Ness, rumour has it that it has chests full of diamonds in a secret underwater base. I hear that the real reason the SNP want independence is so that they can keep the diamonds for themselves. :shifty:
 
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