Scifi with aggressive sexuality
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Seeing as the new Trek TV series will be streamed rather than broadcast, I wonder if the show-runners will be more willing to explore explicit sexual material, although by Trek standards, heavy petting is explicit sexual material.
Ugh I can't even deal with Guy right now. Post deleted.
What I'm getting at is that the patented Gardener Elliptical Veer is not going to cut it for this one. I'm pretty sure you're going to need an actual grown-up apology that faces up to some actual occurrences. I dunno, maybe do it by PM or something?
They've said it's going to be family friendly, haven't they?
You know, there is so much interesting content to be explored when we talk about sexuality in the media, especially in sci-fi and fantasy because there are the conflicting drives of the genres historically being dominated by the target male audience and the misogynistic trends that often go with that, but also being some of the most progressive and innovative forms of storytelling, and of serving as social commentary.
We could be talking about so many things.
Instead we're still trying to get across the basic concept that women are people and that when you do things to hurt people they usually end up getting hurt.
We could be talking about so many things.
Instead we're still trying to get across the basic concept that women are people and that when you do things to hurt people they usually end up getting hurt.
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Faster than light drive. Floating cities. Instant matter transport. Who knew "women are human beings" would be the straw that broke the camel's suspension of disbelief?
While reading this, right now I'm thinking of "Darmok" and the incomprehensibility of the Tamarian language (I did a post on "Darmok" yesterday, so it's fresh in my mind; roll with me here
). It's like we (the general we) can't understand what each other is saying. I'm not talking simply about this thread, although this thread probably typifies many of the common problems. I mean, we as a society, in general.Oh, yeah, and the whole "Turnabout" body-swap premise has been another topic of my recent conversation on the board. One could be forgiven for thinking that body-swapping for a day might help bridge the gulf, as a means of gaining direct perspective of what others have to go through. The novel is approaching one hundred years old, and certainly the idea of switching roles goes back at least a few decades further (e.g., The Prince and the Pauper, and maybe the lit-aware can name something from much further back).
We were watching Star Trek TOS this evening, what struck me is Mudd's Women was so very of its time and was very obviously a Roddenberry story, yet with a few changes it wouldn't be so very far from a story that might be told now.
I couldn't find that comment in a few minutes of searching, but I did find this exchange from the Collider interview with Brian Fuller.
Lots of room for interpretation there, I guess.
How does that apply to Star Trek, the shows visited all four quadrants of the galaxy!?
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Turnabout Intruder was such a wasted opportunity. I mean, here we have two different genders swapping bodies, and the end result is "The man is cool and in command, and the woman is obviously crazy."While reading this, right now I'm thinking of "Darmok" and the incomprehensibility of the Tamarian language (I did a post on "Darmok" yesterday, so it's fresh in my mind; roll with me here
Oh, yeah, and the whole "Turnabout" body-swap premise has been another topic of my recent conversation on the board. One could be forgiven for thinking that body-swapping for a day might help bridge the gulf, as a means of gaining direct perspective of what others have to go through. The novel is approaching one hundred years old, and certainly the idea of switching roles goes back at least a few decades further (e.g., The Prince and the Pauper, and maybe the lit-aware can name something from much further back).
There is one thing I like about Turnabout Intruder, and that's all the crazy sexual chemistry with fem Kirk and Spock.
They mind meld, and afterwards the mood is very post coital, with Spock and Kirk holding hands as they run thru the halls, etc.
It makes this Kirk/Spock shipper happy.
They mind meld, and afterwards the mood is very post coital, with Spock and Kirk holding hands as they run thru the halls, etc.
It makes this Kirk/Spock shipper happy.
I might be remembering "Mudd's Women" unfairly but it seemed to me to treat the idea of human trafficking / prostitution a bit... lightly. I think a modern treatment of that story would have to be considerably harsher in every way.
It might be just given the general ickiness of Harry Mudd as a figure, I basically assume him to be pimping / slave-trading rather than running a legitimate "marriage agency." (I'm sure the episode dances merrily indeed upon that line, it would be characteristic of Roddenberry.) At any rate marriage agencies are a frequently-shady cover for human trafficking and that dimension of the story should occur readily enough to any modern audience that it would need to be addressed.
So, men need to listen carefully to what women are saying in order to understand them while women already perfectly understand men?
What if these boyfriends were men that you yourself were attracted to? Would you care then?
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