I don't count abstinence-only education as real and useful sex ed.
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I don't count abstinence-only education as real and useful sex ed.
Wow, Zaku. State-run "sex operators," hey? That... yeah, that actually does sound kind of uncomfortably close to sexual slavery, man, I'm sorry to say. Or at minimum like suborning prostitution and reinforcing the normalcy of being a "john," which is playing with fire consent-wise and in a bunch of other ways. There have been societies where it was and is a matter-of-fact standard practice for boys to be initiated into manhood by prostitutes, for instance, and I wouldn't call the practice exactly benign as far as reinforcing respect for a woman's right to consent or even for general sex-positivity. I'm sure you meant well but it is basically just a Roddenberry-worthy idea in the worst possible way.
I think one could make a case for providing some form of subsidized counselling for the pervasively lonely, spanning the range of attractiveness indicators from money management to physical fitness, hygeine and social interaction and so on. In order to ensure that they aren't torpedoing their chances of getting laid the moment they open their mouths. But there's no way to provide a hooker for every lonelyheart that doesn't inevitably stray into potentially screwed-up consent territory.
I think one could make a case for providing some form of subsidized counselling for the pervasively lonely, spanning the range of attractiveness indicators from money management to physical fitness, hygeine and social interaction and so on. In order to ensure that they aren't torpedoing their chances of getting laid the moment they open their mouths. But there's no way to provide a hooker for every lonelyheart that doesn't inevitably stray into potentially screwed-up consent territory.
That's only in certain regions. The whole country isn't like that.
Out of wedlock births in the US are dropping.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ed-women-declining-for-first-time-in-decades/
I am obviously aware of that. My point was that saying "They do have sex-ed in American schools" is a very reductive statement considering so much of American sex-ed is stupid abstinence education.
Pointing out that "teenage pregnancy rates are dropping" also isn't doing the abstinence-only problem much justice. The US teenage pregnancy rates and STD rates are still among the highest in developed countries. And many studies have found that there's a positive correlation between abstinence education and teen pregnancies.
Big states like Texas that support abstinence education have not seen a comparable drop in teenage pregnancy rates as states with proper sex ed have.
Also: Only 24 states mandate sex education. And when it's provided, 26 states require abstinence to be stressed (with another 11 requiring it be covered), only 18 states require contraception to be covered. Only 13 states require sex ed to be medically accurate. Only 2 states ban the promotion of religion in sex ed.
So yeah, saying: "I know America has a bad rep in this department, but they do have sex ed in schools." is a bit reductive when the situation is as horrible as it is.
I never claimed this affects all states.
I wasn't jumping on you personally. Just pointing out a few things. Some out there who not as aware of things as you are might think this is a nationwide policy or something.
That's okay. I just figured I'd elaborate on the point I had previously made in such a lazy fashion by only putting it in a single sentence. 
It doesn't seem to me that they are doing a good job at it.
From
7 Problems With The State Of Sex Ed In America Today
I'm sure if it's more damaging this kind of sex education or no sex education at all.
edit: well, {Emilia} expressed the concept better than me
I was half-joking with the State-run "sex operators,", but I realized that it was simple wrong. I'm sorry for that.
Neither do I.
But I don't consider its problems to be something that the suggested solutions would actually resolve. They seemed more concerned with educating about the actual act, rather than...everything that sexual education really should entail.
Well, 'should entail' in my opinion anyway.
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I'm guilty about that. And I was talking about disabled people. Sorry. And it was in the context of a wider range of solutions (like sex education).
I wasn't talking only about the mechanical aspect of sex, but teaching the respect of the other and enjoy sex in a safe and emotionally satisfying manner.
And yes, even the mechanical aspect is important, considering that the U.S. teenagers learn about that from online porn.
It's fortunate, because no one was saying that here
It's fortunate, because no one was saying that here
I think at this point it is safe to say that we are all at a loss as to what point you were actually trying to make.
Me too. I didn't sleep well.
I was lucky enough to grow up in one of the states with pretty good sex ed -- from what I recall it was not only medically accurate, but also covered things like emotional health and relationships (though perhaps not exceptionally well).
I remember in ninth grade we were given this story to read about a woman who was raped: the scenario being that she wanted to visit her boyfriend for a date and planned to have sex with him, and wore a sexy dress. To get to his house she had to cross a river and hire a boat to take her. The captain of the boat found her alluring and raped her on the way. When she got to her boyfriend's she told him what happened and he got mad at her for sleeping with the captain. She then went to a friend who comforted her (and maybe confronted the boyfriend, I can't remember).
Our assignment was to rank the characters in the story by morality.
Some of the boys in our class seemed to be of similar mindsets to some of the men in this thread. And, even at fourteen, I was having none of that.
And this is the story of my first detention.
I remember in ninth grade we were given this story to read about a woman who was raped: the scenario being that she wanted to visit her boyfriend for a date and planned to have sex with him, and wore a sexy dress. To get to his house she had to cross a river and hire a boat to take her. The captain of the boat found her alluring and raped her on the way. When she got to her boyfriend's she told him what happened and he got mad at her for sleeping with the captain. She then went to a friend who comforted her (and maybe confronted the boyfriend, I can't remember).
Our assignment was to rank the characters in the story by morality.
Some of the boys in our class seemed to be of similar mindsets to some of the men in this thread. And, even at fourteen, I was having none of that.
And this is the story of my first detention.
I got high quality sex ed on an Air Force base in Alaska. Go figure.
I'm always stunned when I hear about people graduating high school with nothing better than abstinence-only education, though.
I'm always stunned when I hear about people graduating high school with nothing better than abstinence-only education, though.
Obviously, the worst was the captain followed by the boyfriend. I don't understand very well the role of the friend. He took advantage of her momentary weakness? Or he really comforted her like, well, a friend?
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