For those of you who live in the U.S. and/or otherwise have an understanding of U.S. law, do you support the Equal Rights Amendment and why or why not?
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And I totally feel like "randomly" quoting @thestrangequark again.
It saddens me when men don't consider that, no matter how well-meaning they are.
Thank you so much, @Chilli for pointing out the "She's someone's..." nonsense and how it illustrates the issue of agency. I couldn't believe the obtuseness of that remark about not understanding what agency meant. The "She's someone's..." argument is one of the most common arguments against sexual assault there is, and the fact that most people don't even see a problem with it is truly distressing. I think this meme sums it up most aptly and succinctly:
It saddens me when men don't consider that, no matter how well-meaning they are.
I had to google that and I'm shocked that this isn't already part of your constitution. I can only speak for Italy and Germany.
Germany's basic law has it:
"(2) Men and women shall have equal rights. The state shall promote the actual implementation of equal rights for women and men and take steps to eliminate disadvantages that now exist."
Italy has this:
"All citizens have equal social dignity and are equal before the law, without distinction of sex, race, language, religion, political opinion, personal and social conditions."
And this:
"Working women are entitled to equal rights and, for comparable jobs, equal pay as men."
and this:
"Any citizen of either sex is eligible for public offices and elected positions on equal terms, according to the conditions established by law. To this end, the Republic shall adopt specific measures to promote equal opportunities between women and men."
So both constitutions don't just include equal rights but (at least in theory) the active task of fixing inequalities where they now exist.
Yeah, ERA withered. That was sad.
I tend to think this part is a bit vague and would've led to court challenge after court challenge for every law Congress passed.
But I have no issue with the amendment overall.
Don't get me wrong, I am very much in favor of the ERA, but what would you tell to those who successfully killed it back in the 1970s and anyone who is against it today?
http://www.ushistory.org/us/57c.asp
http://www.ushistory.org/us/57c.asp
It's academic, because there isn't even a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it passed. So, I don't know, "Good Job!"?
They're wrong. There is nothing else to really say.
The people that killed the ERA were the same group of people that challenged and rallied against the social changes of the '60s. What's sad is how successful they were in curtailing women's and minorities rights while parlaying that animosity into the modern conservative movement in America.
Long story short, they are/were assholes.
Not to be argumentative, but one of the things that I have noticed, with me, is that it helps me give definition to a relationship. If I think of someone as a person, that's one thing, but it is a bit of a cognitive moment. If I think of someone as my sister, that is a very emotional connection. It personalizes in a way that makes it meaningful to me.And I totally feel like "randomly" quoting @thestrangequark again.
It saddens me when men don't consider that, no matter how well-meaning they are.
That may sound rather unnecessary, and, as I get older, it becomes less necessary. But, I think it's an important starting point.
Well speak of the devil, we have some good news on the equality front: Milo Yiannopoulos has been banned from Twitter!
I'm certain he'll be delighted. He can rant about it and get his idiot followers to treat him like a martyr.
I think of the times when I used to push a wheelchair around for myself, so I could sit and rest and have a friend push me in it when we met up, that kind of thing, and the amount of times if have some random stranger shout at me, whether a jokey 'you forgot someone! Haha' or 'he's not disabled, look he's not even using the wheelchair!' and the times while in the wheelchair or on the mobility scooter where people just blank me and ask questions about me to the people who are there with me. Or grabbed the wheelchair and moved me aside without asking.
Again, I know these aren't the same things women experience but I guess that in there there are similarities to being catcalled and objectified (though neither in a sexualised way) and how frustrating and upsetting that can be even on an irregular basis.
I don't generally tend to think of it as dehumanising, removal of agency and all that but I guess in the end that's what it comes down to.
Again, I know these aren't the same things women experience but I guess that in there there are similarities to being catcalled and objectified (though neither in a sexualised way) and how frustrating and upsetting that can be even on an irregular basis.
I don't generally tend to think of it as dehumanising, removal of agency and all that but I guess in the end that's what it comes down to.
@Enterprise1701, just for a moment a levity, and because theoretically this is a thread about SciFi and sexuality and, well, considering your avatar 
, please explain to me why this is a heroic MALE autobot:
and this is her female counterpart..? I mean, why a robot has high heels???
, please explain to me why this is a heroic MALE autobot:
and this is her female counterpart..? I mean, why a robot has high heels???
Chicken or egg.
Did Hasbro make Toys that little girls wanted, or did Hasbro make little girls want the toys they decided to sell?
Did Hasbro make Toys that little girls wanted, or did Hasbro make little girls want the toys they decided to sell?
^good question. But I'm not sure that Hasbro thought little girls were a suitable target market when they made the Autobot Toys.
Edit: they made an Arcee toys (the female Autobot) only after 28 years.
Edit: they made an Arcee toys (the female Autobot) only after 28 years.
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Arcee is from the movie in 1986. The first little boys who liked the TV show and toys in 1984, were now unfortunately, with glaring exceptions, too old for toys.
Hasbro needed to find new nine year olds.
Her name is "Assy"? As in "shake that ass"?
WTF?
Here's the trade off Hasbro must have thought out.
No little boy is going to buy a pink Transformer and be seen with it, or he will get his ass kicked by a mouth breather, even if it's a super cool boy Transformer.
However, every little girl that buys the Pink transformer FIRST, could go on to buy another dozen more other less genderized coloured transformers, which is money in the bank.
Also Arcee must have been designed by movie people, possibly suits, not the toy company (verification?) although I imagine a dynamic synergy between the two creative shops (Cartoons/movies vs Toys). There was nothing stopping either gender of children from seeing the movie, and really if you're a parent, you don't leave kids behind home alone just because they're being a little shit about why can't you all go see the Care Bares movie, until half way through when the little girl says "Hey, why are there no girls in this movie? Do girls suck? That makes me sad. I don't want to be a girl any more."
(I played with these things as a kid in the 80s. Not a toy expert. Passionate about my childhood, not Transformers persay.)
According to this list there were 90 female transformers in Generation One (1984 - 1991) but it's possible that they are including comics in that list, or toys that never appeared in either the cartoon or the comics.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_female_Transformers
Hasbro needed to find new nine year olds.
Her name is "Assy"? As in "shake that ass"?
WTF?
Here's the trade off Hasbro must have thought out.
No little boy is going to buy a pink Transformer and be seen with it, or he will get his ass kicked by a mouth breather, even if it's a super cool boy Transformer.
However, every little girl that buys the Pink transformer FIRST, could go on to buy another dozen more other less genderized coloured transformers, which is money in the bank.
Also Arcee must have been designed by movie people, possibly suits, not the toy company (verification?) although I imagine a dynamic synergy between the two creative shops (Cartoons/movies vs Toys). There was nothing stopping either gender of children from seeing the movie, and really if you're a parent, you don't leave kids behind home alone just because they're being a little shit about why can't you all go see the Care Bares movie, until half way through when the little girl says "Hey, why are there no girls in this movie? Do girls suck? That makes me sad. I don't want to be a girl any more."
(I played with these things as a kid in the 80s. Not a toy expert. Passionate about my childhood, not Transformers persay.)
According to this list there were 90 female transformers in Generation One (1984 - 1991) but it's possible that they are including comics in that list, or toys that never appeared in either the cartoon or the comics.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_female_Transformers
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