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Scifi Channel's Spring schedule

I watched two episodes of DS9 this week off of Spike. It was Tivoed... so there's a good possibility it was at 2 or 3 in the morning.

Yeah DS9 used to air at 2:00 with Voyager as its lead in at 1:00am. Starting this week Voyager has been moved to 3:00 and DS9 is not airing.

DS9 is at the end of its 5 year contract with Spike this spring and its airing rights will be up for sale again (heck, it may have already been sold for all I know), Scifi bought the airing rights to TNG after it's 5 year window with Spike was up in 2007. Voyager is still contracted to Spike untill 2011 however co-op airing deals can always come up if another network is interested, this happened when G4 was showing TNG even though Spike had the rights, G4 made some type of deal with Spike.
 
As a LONG TIME anime fan (I was into anime fandom when it was really niche - and subs and dubs of any kind were rare - yiou were lucky to have a typed synopsis to follow along); you should know the following:

The heyday of Sci-Fi based anime was from the late 1970ies top early 1990ies. Today only a fraction of anime has actual hard science fiction themes - and any sci fi elements of usually just window dressing.

When you first watch anime; you will find it fresh and different only because you don't yet know it's favorite cliches, story types, or character archetypes; but after you watch about 4 different series and maybe 50 hours of anime - like U.S. and Canadian/UK stuff; you ber able to predict storylines and story outcomes well in advance.

I'm not try to dis anime in any way; and I'm still a fan; but in all honesty, the Japanese are no more or less creative then American or European writers; and as is the case in the U.S. too - there's some stuff that just rises above the 'normal' type of anime.

Currently though, the current trend in anime is still 'for the most part - the 'magical girl group' or 'magical collectable cardgame' stuff. Gundam changed the face of anime in the late 1970ies; and (imo unfortunately) 'Sailor Moon' did it again in the ealy 1990ies.

Still while there ARE good things and series still - like in the U.S. and the West, there is a awful lot of garbage too.
 
I think you mean Revolution and Warehouse 13

they're greenlit but apparently still in pre-production filming; no surprise there, they're following the schedule they announced

I predict failure, though

Revolution didn't sound too bad, but from the people that brought you Flash Gordon, I doubt it will be the potential next "Jericho" that it could have been

He was asking about Revolution specifically. Anyway, pilots have been greenlit for both shows, but there has been no word since. I'm not sure if the pilots are still being developed or if Sci Fi declined to pick up the series. Personally, I'm really excited about Revolution and hope it gets made quickly. But at this point given Sci Fi's usual schedule the earliest we can expect to see the series is summer 2010. Sci Fi really should have kept Atlantis and BSG around for another season until they were ready with replacements. Add in the dead year for Doctor Who and Sci Fi is really going to have a very quiet summer.
 
I know O5 tanked, my point was everything they are showing will tank, beside BSG which will just be bad, will also tank! Hell when they are showing shows that will tank, let's bring back O5 and Seaquest! Why not! It's clear Sci-fi didn't think their schedule through at all, might as well show even more show that will do horribly and change the name of the network to "Shit TV".


They didn't advertise it at all (unlike all the other Friday night shows) then pulled it after 3 weeks. Why did they set it up to fail?
 
What's Gundam 00's timeslot?

Mon, 11PM EST, in the "Ani-Monday" slot.

That's convenient, I'll tape it tonight and give it a look-see. Or is it on hiatus right now?

Or maybe I'll just rent Cowboy Bebop: The Movie. Probably more accessible?
I think you mean Revolution and Warehouse 13

they're greenlit but apparently still in pre-production filming; no surprise there, they're following the schedule they announced
I've heard that Warehouse 13 is moving forward but it's been a worryingly long time since I heard a peep about Revolution. Every time I see another reality-TV show airing on skiffy, I gnash my teeth that they're shoving such crap at us instead.
 
Temis The Vorta said:
That's convenient, I'll tape it tonight and give it a look-see. Or is it on hiatus right now?

Or maybe I'll just rent Cowboy Bebop: The Movie. Probably more accessible?
It will probably go on hiatus once they finish up the first season (first 25 eps) and I'm not sure when they'll air the second season (I assume pretty soon). Just don't get discouraged if you are a little lost on the story since it's about halfway done now but you can always go back and watch them. I recommended Gundam 00 to first time Gundam viewers since it takes place in its own timeline so no knowledge of the other series is required to watch. If you ever decide to watch the older series all I ask is that you don't judge them based on animation quality alone (that goes for a lot of older anime too).

I think Sci-Fi needs to air more shows, if you take a look at their daytime schedule it's pretty weak right now they usually cycle between the Showtime Outer Limits and a bunch of washed up UPN shows. I wish they would bring back Cartoon Quest and air older shows, I mean when was the last time they aired a vintage science fiction shows like the old Doctor Who, Outer Limits, or Blake's 7? Heck they don't even air Farscape or Babylon 5 anymore.:(
 
But at this point given Sci Fi's usual schedule the earliest we can expect to see the series is summer 2010. Sci Fi really should have kept Atlantis and BSG around for another season until they were ready with replacements. Add in the dead year for Doctor Who and Sci Fi is really going to have a very quiet summer.
MGM did not give Sci fi a choice over keeping SGA and i do not know if this is true but i heard it was the writers idea to end BSG.
 
But at this point given Sci Fi's usual schedule the earliest we can expect to see the series is summer 2010. Sci Fi really should have kept Atlantis and BSG around for another season until they were ready with replacements. Add in the dead year for Doctor Who and Sci Fi is really going to have a very quiet summer.
MGM did not give Sci fi a choice over keeping SGA and i do not know if this is true but i heard it was the writers idea to end BSG.

MGM did not want to make SGA, SGU, and DVDs at the same time. I'm sure SciFi could have convinced them to make an extra 10-13 episodes of SGA to fill the time before SGU was ready.

We've all heard different things about BSG, but the most likely scenario I heard was that Sci Fi wouldn't guarantee a 5th season, so RDM decided to end at 4 rather than risk having Sci Fi cancel the show with only an episode or two left to film.

Look what ABC did with Lost. When the networks and producers get together and decide to end a show they can be pretty creative about how they schedule out the final episodes.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Or maybe I'll just rent Cowboy Bebop: The Movie. Probably more accessible?
Definitely start out with Cowboy Bebop the Movie, it's self-contained and basically like Firely, Farscape, or Blake's 7 or something.

I mean the funny thing is, Cowboy Bebop did not have character arcs. There were recurring characters, but other than the first 5 episodes introducing new characters and then the finale, it's possible to watch most of it out of order.

Seriously, the only story is this:

Extremely short version: it's a few hundred years in the future, and humans have colonized a few of the other planets in our solar system. We follow a motley crew of bounty hunters as they try to collect their next big score.

Longer version: a few hundred years in the future, humans colonize the other planets of the solar system. To speed travel with the other planets, a network of Stargates is built (haha) that hang in orbit and you fly ships through to get to one on the other side. Problem was due to cheap construction, there was a malfunction in the Lunar gate that destroyed Earth's moon (or just damaged it? maybe I'm mistaken)....anyway Earth itself after the "Lunar Gate Disaster" is now basically sitting in a cloud of asteroids and gets routinely pummeled by major meteorite impacts from the debris cloud. People still live on Earth, mostly underground, but its basically a third world country and most humans emmigrated to the colonies since then. The major human settlements are on Mars, Venus, and the 4 Jovian moons, but there's a few hardscrabble colonies further out on Saturn's moons, etc.

The international space police aren't very effective and its basically like the wild west (think Firefly's fringe worlds....though the ISS is also ineffective because they're rife with corruption) so the solution was that there's a big industry in Bounty Hunters.

Future space-slang for "Bounty Hunter" is "Cowboy", and the captain of this particular ship of bounty hunters likes jazz so he named their ship "Bebop". Hence the title "Cowboy Bebop".

The rag-tag crew includes:

Jet Black: grizzled ex-police officer from the Jovian moons and owner of the Bebop. Lost his arm in a botched police raid, requiring a cybernetic replacement (he's also got a big scar on his face from that).

Spike Spiegel: Spike doesn't talk about his past much, but it is gradually revealed in flashbacks that he used to be an enforcer/hitman for the feared Mars mafia syndicate known as Red Dragon. As a result, Spike is an incredibly dangerous fighter, skilled in not only marksmanship with his pistol but an incredibly skilled hand-to-hand combatant ( he practices Jeet Kun Do, which is "a step above Fight Club"; it's not so much "staged karate" as formlessly and quickly shifting between various punches and kicks and thinking on your feet; he frequently uses improvized weapons). Spike's best friend was fellow mob enforcer Vicious, but they had a falling out when Spike fell in love with Vicious' girlfriend, Julia. In a massive fight, Spike was left for dead (although they rarely mention it, he had to have one of his eyes replaced with a cybernetic one). Spike is now just drifting aimlessly and fell into the bounty hunting business with Jet, and in his own words, he's not sure if he's dreaming or awake anymore.

Fay Valentine: Femme fatale who joins the crew. Fay actually was in a shuttle when the lunar gate disaster happened and was nearly killed, so her body was frozen until medical science could fix her 70 years later. She awoke with amnesia and no real memory of who she is ("Faye Valentine" is a pseudonym) ; actually her revival was part of a medical scam; spend the money on reviving frozen people with critical injuries, then stick them with the astronomically high hospital bill the could never hope to pay. Bitter about how she was hurt when she was naive and alone, Faye turned to a fast life outside the law of gambling, etc. and became cynical and manipulative. Now she's a skilled shot and joins the crew as another bounty hunter (she had no where to go because her money ran out, and she sort of just planted herself into the crew)

Ed: Ed is an idiot-savant master computer hacker. Ed grew up basically as a feral child on Earth (which is a mess now) which her own homemade computer; "Ed" is actually a 10 year old girl (she made up her own name). She's a computer master though, easily slicing through corporate-level firewalls. She's very loopy because of her odd childhood; she didn't grow up alone, as from time to time she'd pop into a few orphanages and hang out, but she would just then keep wandering around on her own; utterly a free spirit. The result of her eccentric childhood is that she speaks and moves very oddly in exaggerated ways (think River Tam) and refers to herself in the third person. Very happy-go-lucky and perpetually optimistic.

Ein the data-dog: the "fifth member" of the crew, a small dog that used to be a lab test animal. He's got a computer chip implanted into his brain as part of the experiments, which increases his intelligence. The crew seems to ignore it, but it's shown that he has basically near-human intelligence; only Ed seems to realize that he's more or less as smart as a person, and she treats him as she would another child. ("Ein" is short for "Einstein")
 
Longer version: *snip*

Why are you spoiling all the character reveals to someone who hasn't watched the show?

Temis the Vorta said:
Or maybe I'll just rent Cowboy Bebop: The Movie. Probably more accessible?

I'd recommend episodes 1 and 5 of the television show. If those don't grab you, it's unlikely you'll enjoy the show.

The movie is okay, but it feels like a really bloated and overlong television episode. This isn't terrible, it just doesn't stand up to the show very well.
 
(well jeez it's not like its a big "who is the Final Cylon" type mystery, they just don't get to showing it until a few episodes in)

half the cast doesn't appear in the first episode;

go with episode 5: "The Ballad of Fallen Angels": Part 1/3 Part 2/3 Part 3/3
 
well jeez it's not like its a big "who is the Final Cylon" type mystery, they just don't get to showing it until a few episodes in

No, the show is not about mysteries. I didn't even say it had "mysteries," I said it had character reveals. Why would you tell anyone wanting to watch or read anything about nearly all the character reveals it has? I don't get it.

The show is about the characters, how they interact and how they get from their past to the place they are on the Bebop and how each character lives in relation to their past, whether they embrace the present or revel in the past. Revealing their pasts and presents and how they connect damages the journey a show like Cowboy Bebop puts you on.

At least, in my opinion, I guess.

half the cast doesn't appear in the first episode;

go with episode 5: "The Ballad of Fallen Angels": Part 1/3 Part 2/3 Part 3/3

That's why I suggest a combination of 1 and 5 as an introduction.

The first episode gives a feel for the episodic nature of the show (which encompasses a majority of the entire series) while the fifth introduces the primary arc and gives a better feel for the ensemble cast (minus Ed).
 
well I guess I'm trying to balance that with having to give a "hook" about the show based on a short description when I'm not sure if someone will even watch it; I mean, would you advertise "Soylent Green" by saying "It's this dystopian 1970's movie with Charlton Heston"?
 
well I guess I'm trying to balance that with having to give a "hook" about the show based on a short description when I'm not sure if someone will even watch it; I mean, would you advertise "Soylent Green" by saying "It's this dystopian 1970's movie with Charlton Heston"?

Well, I think you very much overdid it. Much the way you seem to do with a lot of anime I've seen you describe to people here. You're giving a meal when all a person should get is a bite or two.

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but there is merit in letting the show do the vast majority of storytelling rather than you synopsizing it.
 
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