Scientists evade the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

[RAMA]

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-03-scientists-evade-heisenberg-uncertainty-principle.html

Get your Heisenberg compensators ready.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's misleading to say that they "evade" Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. From the OP article:

The ICFO team showed how to put nearly all of the uncertainty into the angle that is not measured by the instrument. In this way they still obeyed Heisenberg's requirement for uncertainty, but hid the uncertainty where it can do no harm.​

More accurately is to say that these researches showed that certain assumptions about how the uncertainty principle must be applied have been shown not in fact to be required by it.

 

[scotthm]

It's misleading to say that they "evade" Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

I don't think it's misleading at all. They've found a way to possibly evade the effects of uncertainty on their measurements:

they describe how a properly designed instrument can almost completely avoid quantum uncertainty.

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[publiusr]

Nice that we can get a better view of things close up.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It's misleading to say that they "evade" Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

Indeed. How, after all, can you really be certain about having avoided it?

More accurately is to say that these researches showed that certain assumptions about how the uncertainty principle must be applied have been shown not in fact to be required by it.

"You can avoid the uncertainty principle by simply choosing not to care about all the things you can't measure and pretending they don't matter anyway."

If that doesn't sum up the state of modern science, I don't know what does.

 

[RAMA]

Indeed. How, after all, can you really be certain about having avoided it?


"You can avoid the uncertainty principle by simply choosing not to care about all the things you can't measure and pretending they don't matter anyway."

If that doesn't sum up the state of modern science, I don't know what does.

It probably won't matter as long is it's a practical solution. I kind of like to think of it like digital compression..leaving out the unnecessary bits..and viola it works.

RAMA

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

...viola it works.

I prefer the cello to the viola.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I prefer the cello to the viola.

I am uncertain which is which...

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The cello is physically bigger than a viola but smaller than a double bass, stood on its end pin (not played under the chin), and tuned one octave lower than a viola. I hear that violinists make fun of violas and viola players -- I don't think they do about cellists.

• What is the difference between a viola and a trampoline? You take your shoes off to jump on a trampoline.
• What is the difference between a viola and an onion? No one cries when you chop up a viola.
• What is the difference between a radio and a viola? A radio plays music.
• What's the difference between a dead skunk on the road and a crushed viola on the road? There are skid marks before the skunk.
• What is the difference between a violin and a viola? A viola burns longer.
• How can you tell if a violist is playing out of tune? The bow is moving.
• How do you stop a violist from drowning? Take your foot off his head.
• What is the definition of a minor second? Two violists playing in unison.
• What is the definition of perfect pitch? Throwing a viola into a dumpster without hitting the rim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_jokes

 

[Space Coast]

It probably won't matter as long is it's a practical solution. I kind of like to think of it like digital compression..leaving out the unnecessary bits..and viola it works.

I'll have you know that every one of my bits is very necessary and I would prefer my transporters to not leave them out, thank you.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I'll have you know that every one of my bits is very necessary and I would prefer my transporters to not leave them out, thank you.

Not, apparently, if you are transporting a viola.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm not sure why @RAMA brought it up...

A viola player decides that he's had enough of being a viola player--unappreciated, all those silly jokes. So he decides to change instruments. He goes into a shop, and says, "I want to buy a violin." The man behind the counter looks at him for a moment, and then says, "You must be a viola player." The viola player is astonished, and says, "Well, yes, I am. But how did you know?" "Well, sir, this is a fish-and-chip shop."

http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/jokes/viola2.html

 

[Space Coast]

I'm not sure why @RAMA brought it up...

As a former violinist I can confirm all of these violist jokes.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Reading too many made me feel a bit violated...

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Reading too many made me feel a bit violated...

This entire thread is a violation of the uncertainty principle.

 

[USS Triumphant]

It probably won't matter as long is it's a practical solution. I kind of like to think of it like digital compression..leaving out the unnecessary bits..and viola it works.

RAMA

As an audiophile who can definitely hear the difference between lossless audio and compressed formats like MP3, I assure you that those bits aren't unnecessary. Whether the music was made with viola, cello, or both.