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SCI-FI Channels mag article on STXI w/spoilers

T'Cal

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In the February issue of the SciFi channels magazine, there is a big article on ST:XI. I will post spoilers below. However, some of the information does not spoil. It tells of the process and not the plot. Of course, it confirms the actors and their respective roles. But executive producer Bryan Burke explained: "There are five of us originally involved, Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman, myself, JJ [Abrams], and Damon [Lindelof], and respectively we are across the board as far as Trekkers go. But we all felt like it was an incredible world that has existed for 40 years, and like like some other grea franchises, be it Batman or James Bond, it needed a boost by finding a new approach to the story and the world. It was too great to let it go away or continue on its current path."

"Burk says working as a creative consortium also protected all facets of the franchise. He breaks down the team explaining, 'Bob Orci is a hardcore Trekker who knows it backwards and forwards. Damon knows it pretty damn well, too, and JJ has always been a fan but doesn't know the lore nearly as well as them. Alex knows it sort of, and I know the least. So for that reason, with every single stepas we go forward, anything that is suggestedthat is out of canon or is total herasy, Bob Orci will be like, 'Yeah, we can't do that.' He keeps everything on track."

Burk goes on in the article using phrases such as "sacred ground" and mentioning that hardcore Trekkers who have been allowed to see the script were not only supportive but want to be part of the "creative circle."

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Nothing really new but the article confirms the plot leaked about older Spock who travels back in time to work with his younger self in hopes of preventing a Romulan plan to destroy Earth. It also mentions that at the time of the artcle, Spock's parents and Kirk's wife "Carol" were being cast. Later, Orci says that the movie is more "Star Trek Zero," that it's a reintroduction. "We designed it so that if you know everything about Star Trek you will have one kind of an experience, because you will pick up on all kinds of references. But if you are not a fan, those things will be an introduction, and it won't require you to know anything." Orci also says, "Our goal is twofold: one is to make sure that the fans, who have been stewarts of the continuity and who are some of the savviest and most intelligent fans of any franchise ever, that they be satisfied with anything that has the name 'Star Trek' on it. But more importantly, the goal is really to introduce casual fans and people who don't know Star Trek at all to this universe and to connect to it today. The goal of 'Star Trek' is that if you don't like sci-fi or know Star Trek, this will bring you into the world."

IMHO, this is the best news I could hear about this film and the franchise. This is exactly how I want them to make this movie. I'm pumped!
 
Damn. And I was hoping for a reimagining. Of course that would have made Sulu the black chick, but still...

I wish them luck.
 
In a away, it sounds like they are trying to do what RTD did for Doctor Who, but they are really, really, really telescoping it. Whereas RTD introduced elements from the older series gradually, starting with the Doctor and the TARDIS, then Daleks, then the Dalek Emperor, and Autons/Nestenes (the former not by name) then in the next series another layer: Sarah Jane, K9, Cybermen; then the following: Gallifrey, the Master, Macra; they are in Trek XI
bringing back (if everything we've heard so far is true), the ensemble, Sarek, Amanda, Romulans, Pike, Carol Marcus, the Enterprise, etc. all in one shebang. Now, on the one hand, I can understand their thinking, but on the other I see a potential danger, and it's the same danger that plagued Nemesis. Nemesis seemed like it worked off a checklist: Wesley, check; Guinan, check; Romulans, check; Janeway, check; Data "clone," check, etc.
 
Peacemaker said:
In a away, it sounds like they are trying to do what RTD did for Doctor Who, but they are really, really, really telescoping it.

Which is yet another reason I wish this was a new TV series rather than a new movie franchise. I'm afraid they're trying to pack far too much into too little time. Trek does better on TV than in theatres. Always has.
 
MisterPL said:
Peacemaker said:
In a away, it sounds like they are trying to do what RTD did for Doctor Who, but they are really, really, really telescoping it.

Which is yet another reason I wish this was a new TV series rather than a new movie franchise. I'm afraid they're trying to pack far too much into too little time. Trek does better on TV than in theatres. Always has.

I believe modern Trek series (24th century Trek) with their ensamble casts are better for TV as they are more about character development, while Classic Trek with its smaller group of main characters is better suited for the big screen with a more epic tale. I guess we'll see.
 
The article is new. Got it in the mail today. Not all of the information is brand new. The quotes from actual production people rebuke the false rumors about a reboot or reimagining. They are the first I've seen in print by actual writers and producers of this film. I'm curious, where else have you seen those statements?
 
T'Cal said:
...The quotes from actual production people rebuke the false rumors about a reboot or reimagining...

But what if the Enterprise, the uniforms, the ship interiors, the handheld devices, etc., all look different from how they did on TOS? Isn't that a reboot or a reimagining?

It sure isn't sticking with the original. It violates it, at least visually, even if all the "history", "events", or "continuity" are left in place.

Even if each and every event we know as Trek history is counted as having happened, if everything LOOKS different, is it the same?
 
Even if each and every event we know as Trek history is counted as having happened, if everything LOOKS different, is it the same?

Well that's when you need to choose if those stories hold greater value then how they "look" I suppose.

Sharr
 
YOU giving THAT reply?!?!?!

I thought you were of the "Who cares? If it's called Trek, I'm on board, no matter if continuity is changed!" mindset!
 
gastrof said:
T'Cal said:
...The quotes from actual production people rebuke the false rumors about a reboot or reimagining...

But what if the Enterprise, the uniforms, the ship interiors, the handheld devices, etc., all look different from how they did on TOS? Isn't that a reboot or a reimagining?

It sure isn't sticking with the original. It violates it, at least visually, even if all the "history", "events", or "continuity" are left in place.

Even if each and every event we know as Trek history is counted as having happened, if everything LOOKS different, is it the same?


Methinks we might have a little bit of a Superman Returns situation brewing.
 
Since when was Kirk ever actually *married* to Carol Marcus? True, they had a son, but that doesn't mean anything. David could have been an 'accident'.
 
Babaganoosh said:
Since when was Kirk ever actually *married* to Carol Marcus? True, they had a son, but that doesn't mean anything. David could have been an 'accident'.

That seemed an inference more on the article writers part then the producers actually saying this. Think the topic got covered in the original thread.

My personal opinion is, there's nothing agianst them having been hitched so... if it turns out Carol was at one time married to Kirk (Spock and McCoy sure seemed to know who she was, so its more then a fling in my view) Surely the look from McCoy when Kirk gets the comm-call could be taken as an indication there was failed marriage there.

Sharr
 
gastrof said:
But what if the Enterprise, the uniforms, the ship interiors, the handheld devices, etc., all look different from how they did on TOS? Isn't that a reboot or a reimagining?

It sure isn't sticking with the original. It violates it, at least visually, even if all the "history", "events", or "continuity" are left in place.

Even if each and every event we know as Trek history is counted as having happened, if everything LOOKS different, is it the same?

This is my concern as well. I'm 100% positive that they can deliver a well-written film for the modern audience (not what I'd want from my Trek, but I'm into old-style sci-fi, so fair enough!). What I'm not enthusiastic about is their treatment of the visuals. They seem to be in the "let's change things because we can" mindset.

However, if the film is set a good few years before TOS and the 5-year mission, they have room enough for new uniforms and such so long as they keep to a few rules (for example, everyone in Starfleet wearing the Enteprise insignia isn't going to work if the movie is canon).

Films are a visual art form, so what we see is just as important as what is written in the script. If they want to re-define Trek into their own film, then they should just go ahead and reboot the thing. Really dig into it and make it their own. That's fine.

If they want to do a canon film, then they have to make something that looks like it is supposed to be set before the existing universe's depiction of the 2260s. Introducing things at their leisure isn't going to work. It has to fit. Period. And that would be great.

But, the worst thing they can do (IMO) is try to have it both ways. Have the script fit into continuity but re-imagine the visual look of the universe isn't good, because you're not pleasing anybody. You're not giving the audience something totally fresh for their new, 21st century film style because you're chained by canon. At the same time, you're not pleasing the fans because it doesn't fit into the timeline visually. That kind of approach just reeks of underconfidence in their product: they're afraid to loose the ticket-paying, model-buying fanbase, but at the same time they also want to shake the fans away, making Trek 'cool' enough for normal movie-goers to want to watch.

I think they really needed to decide to go one way or the other, not sit on the fence. Obviously, they've already made that decision, because the film is now in production. From the scant few images and things we've seen so far, I'm thinking that they might still be fence-sitting. I hope I'm wrong, and it's either going to be a totally canon production that will make me happy, or a reboot that will loose my interest but bring in a fresh, new horde of fans who will enjoy the new continuity just as much as I enjoyed the old :)
 
gastrof said:
YOU giving THAT reply?!?!?!

I thought you were of the "Who cares? If it's called Trek, I'm on board, no matter if continuity is changed!" mindset!

I certainly am. What, in my acknowledgment that the new Trek will be different from the old Trek, confuses you?
 
gastrof said:
Even if each and every event we know as Trek history is counted as having happened, if everything LOOKS different, is it the same?

SURE. Being a fan of comics, with comic characters being drawn a bit differently from issue to issue, I have no problem with having the characters and ship look a bit different from TOS, to tell a story that is simply part of the same Trek continuity we've been watching since 1966. No fuzz.
 
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