Say something positive about your least favorite Trek movie.

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Mage, Apr 8, 2019.

  1. Brain Melter

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    Ditto.
     
  2. Two-Bit

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    it was nice knowing Wesley went back to Starfleet
     
  3. grandmoffjon

    grandmoffjon Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Even that isn't in the theatrical version :lol:
     
  4. Two-Bit

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    Not true he is in the film you can see him seated. His dialogue scene was the deleted one.
     
  5. Maurice

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    I saw Insurrection for free.
     
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  6. Brain Melter

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    Nemesis is acceptable if you don't think of it as a Star Trek movie but as some sort of futuristic vampire movie. Too bad that I hate vampire movies though...
     
  7. HaventGotALife

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    Data and the Borg Queen do explore each other's culture. Lily is the audience learning about what humans look like in the 24th century.
     
  8. Brain Melter

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    Data has a heroic death, useless but heroic (we're supposed to believe that they don't have a time bomb of sorts in their arsenal!!). You can see B4 evolving to be a new Data... in a couple of millennia or so.:D
     
  9. Doctor Bombay

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    Star Trek V...

    "It was... fun."
     
  10. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    "The Praetor's power has always been the Romulan fleet."
    "This has gone on long enough!"
    "I thought we had a talk about patience, Commander."
    "Mine is wearing thin."

    Shinzon rages at Picard because he is a "shadow, echo." His destruction of Earth is to consolidate his power as Praetor. Picard has the same reaction to Shinzon:
    "I need to know where the hell he came from! Counselor..." Picard likes the echo as much as Shinzon likes the voice.

    The enemy (Shinzon) is a dark mirror of Picard. His actions concerning the Borg give Shinzon footing.

    "You are me! The same Noble Picard blood runs through our veins. Had you lived my life you'd be doing exactly as I am! So look in the mirror, and see yourself!"
    "Shinzon? I'm a mirror for you as well."

    Picard/ Shinzon is:
    --Ambitious
    --Wants Family
    --Dreams of "new worlds."
    --Damaged by the stars (Borg Assimilation, enslaved by Romulans).
    --Wants to know about the lineage of his family.

    In the same room that Picard and Data talk of emotions in Generations, Picard turns to Data and asks him "Is this a mirror?"

    So, what brought Picard back from the brink of Borg genocide and Ahab quest to kill them? Lily and Guinan tethered him to his humanity. Picard does the same to Shinzon, and fails to get him to turn back towards humanity. Not humanity, the genetics, but a moral center.

    When Shinzon dies, Picard sees darkness he never had--dying, he drags the spear further into his belly, an act of self-harm, and freezes. Data, evaluating Picard's emotions (Graduation day for Data!) Chooses to send Picard home and die, instead of the entire Enterprise crew, which would've happened, if Picard didn't teach Data about humanity.

    I explain this because this post seems to be complaining more than finding the good. And, I love Nemesis. So, I thought you might like to know how I see it, see if you can watch it from a different point-of-view.
     
  11. Armus

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    Nemesis : it put the dying TNG film franchise out of its misery.
     
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  13. Brain Melter

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    Shinzon does not seem to be a moron so he must be insane for not knowing that everything bad that happened in his life he owes it to the Romulans and definitely not to Picard or the humans who weren't even aware of his existence.
    I don't like it when the only explanation for someone's behavior (in a fiction that is) is that he's crazy.
    Because it's the easiest way!
    Shinzon does a lot of stuff in that movie that can only be explained by craziness and plot convenient stupidity.
     
  14. Haunted House of Qo'nOs

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    Nemesis: Picard announcing battle stations is one of the most bad ass moments in all the movies for me.
     
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    Insurrection: At least it's better (in theory) than being keel-hauled after being drawn-and-quartered.
     
  16. nutshell

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    TMP got things started again.
     
  17. StametsFungi

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    That's winning and losing at the same time.
     
  18. Brain Melter

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    Nemesis: The scene where the romulan orators turn into crumbling statues was fun to watch even though it didn't make much sense.
     
  19. Smellmet

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    What didn't make sense in the scene?
     
  20. Brain Melter

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    A particle that only destroys living matter? Really? How does that work? When the particle gets to an atom it analyses it to see if it's part of a living being and if it's not it leaves it alone? Does that particle have a degree in chemistry?