Saturday predatory female teacher thread

[gturner]

From Foxnews

A New Hampshire high school English teacher who allegedly e-mailed nude photos of herself to a 15-year-old male student was arrested Friday on a felony charge of indecent exposure and lewdness.

Melinda Dennehy, 41, of Hampstead, turned herself in to Londonderry police and was later released on $10,000 bond. She was placed on administrative leave from her job at Londonderry High School on Wednesday, the day school officials and police were notified about the pictures going around school.

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The student who received the photos told police he forwarded them to two male friends. He also told police that Dennehy sent him text messages "continuously."

What did she think was going to happen when she sent nekkid pics to a student? I'll bet the whole school had them within two hours.

Obligatory mug shot:

Then there's this UK Sun article

A TOP ballet teacher has appeared in court accused of abducting one of her boy pupils and having sex with him.

Dundee-born, Sarah Pirie, 27, formerly of St Annes, Lancashire, is facing five charges of intentionally sexually touching the 15-year-old boy.

Pirie, formerly a teacher at a dance school on the Fylde Coast, Lancs, is alleged to have taken the teenager to hotels in Manchester and committed the sex offences between March and June last year.

Here's the pic of the ballet teacher.

Youch! Kidnapping!

Comments? Double standards? Outrage?

This is the thread for them.

 

[ndcarlin]

As far as the ballet teacher goes...Damned lucky kid. Just couldn't keep his big yap shut though.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

RE: The first one, luckily for her, she'll face less of a penalty because what she did was less serious of a crime. Honestly, a much dumber crime, but still less serious).

For the second one my guess is the kidnapping charges are overblown and might only be technically kidnapping. Doesn't mean she didn't break the law, but I figure sex with a minor while in a position of authority should be enough.

 

[Kestra]

There may be double standards in social attitudes but as these teachers have been arrested, it doesn't appear that there are double standards in the legal sense. It remains to see if they are actually convicted, but clearly it's not something that's being ignored.

 

[ndcarlin]

Both kids were 15. The first kid and his buds got a laugh about it, he probably egged her on a bit, whatever, they were pics.

The second kid? He could have said "No thanks" but he's 15, capable of good judgment, his hormones are raging, and she's hot and only 12 years older. It was CONSENSUAL. She made a bad choice yes, but if it had been any other kid, it'd be nothing.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I'm only outraged if someone is forced to do something against their will. However, there is definitely a double standard out there when it comes to male teachers with female students and vice versa. I know there were a couple of teachers I would have been happy to be touched inappropriately by (or just get nude pictures of) when I was fifteen, and I'm sure it's no different for women.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Both kids were 15. The first kid and his buds got a laugh about it, he probably egged her on a bit, whatever, they were pics.

The second kid? He could have said "No thanks" but he's 15, capable of good judgment, his hormones are raging, and she's hot and only 12 years older. It was CONSENSUAL. She made a bad choice yes, but if it had been any other kid, it'd be nothing.

Yeah, but see what happens when a 15 year old boy has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl. Often, he'll be considered a criminal and punished for it- she won't be considered a criminal, though. The problem is that female virginity or female sexual purity is still considered something precious and male virginity/purity isn't. If an underage girl of 14 or 15 has consensual sex, she's seen as a victim of the person who had sex with her- whether it's a boy her age, a man, a lesbian woman, etc. They are considered to have essentially done something wrong to her- she's a victim, they're a criminal. In contrast, anyone having consensual sex with a 14 or 15 year old boy is not considered to be victimizing him (and I don't think they are, by the way- abusing a position of authority if they're an adult, which is bad form and shameful but not, in my eyes, something criminal); because nothing has been "done" to him. Boys don't have a purity or virginity to lose.

The double standard isn't in regards to the sex of the teacher- it's in regards to the sex of the adolescent.

 

[abaldwin360]

Where were these teachers when I was in highschool??? I had to settle for the class tramps.

 

[ndcarlin]

Where were these teachers when I was in highschool??? I had to settle for the class tramps.

Where were the tramps? I had to settle for the 5 knuckle shuffle.

 

[Shatinator]

While I would agree the age of consent is a highly debatable issue that is not the issue. Their is clearly a double standard, that all adult males that take advantage in this manner are committing a crime while most women are ...except if they are attractive in some way. We cannot afford to look at things in such a puerile fashion. As long as we define adolescence and adulthood with such strong definitions we must maintain this standard of separation. I would like to suggest with one of the young alleged victims that the reason he may not "kept his mouth shut" as was mentioned in this thread was he may of been threatened or felt so and he may of realized that this person could be unstable or dangerous.

 

[ndcarlin]

We can only make assumptions here. Assumptions the women were unstable or dangerous (Possible) or that the kids were threatened or felt so (also possible). Truth comes out (such as it is) in court.

But neither of the kids apparently went to authorities. USUALLY they end up bragging about it and that's how it's found out.

And it's nice to see women teachers gone after after so many years of it just being men doing female students that got the shaft.

 

[Pingfah]

Yeah, but see what happens when a 15 year old boy has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl. Often, he'll be considered a criminal and punished for it- she won't be considered a criminal, though. The problem is that female virginity or female sexual purity is still considered something precious and male virginity/purity isn't. If an underage girl of 14 or 15 has consensual sex, she's seen as a victim of the person who had sex with her- whether it's a boy her age, a man, a lesbian woman, etc. They are considered to have essentially done something wrong to her- she's a victim, they're a criminal. In contrast, anyone having consensual sex with a 14 or 15 year old boy is not considered to be victimizing him (and I don't think they are, by the way- abusing a position of authority if they're an adult, which is bad form and shameful but not, in my eyes, something criminal); because nothing has been "done" to him. Boys don't have a purity or virginity to lose.

Perhaps one of our resident Bobbies can clarify, but I am very much under the impression that the instance of prosecution in such cases, where no coercion is implied, is extraordinarily rare. Especially when considered in relation to the frequency of the offence.

The police are unlikely to pass it to the Crown Prosecution Service, and if they did the CPS is unlikely to consider a prosecution to be in the public interest.

 

[Trippy]

I'll just say that as a female teacher, the idea of my students having sex with each other grosses me out so much that I can't even contemplate what these women are thinking

Ewwwww! It's bad enough that I've had to see the boys' underwear (Pants on the Ground indeed!)

 

[scotpens]

The second kid? He could have said "No thanks" but he's 15, capable of good judgment, his hormones are raging, and she's hot and only 12 years older.

"Capable of good judgment"? I'm not so sure. When I was fifteen, my judgment was pretty rocky.

I think we need to look at the intent and spirit of the law, not just the letter. Laws against sex between adults and minors are to prevent predatory adults from taking sexual advantage of naïve youngsters, and to punish adults who do so. But is that an accurate description of what's happening here? Often it's a case of two people with about the same level of emotional maturity falling into a situation they both know is wrong. These women need psychological help. They've been publicly disgraced, they'll almost certainly never teach again, and no parent will let their kids near them. How is society served by sending them to jail?

A TOP ballet teacher has appeared in court accused of abducting one of her boy pupils and having sex with him.

Here's the pic of the ballet teacher.

That boy was a lucky sumbitch. She's a hottie!

Maybe he had an affair with her to prove to his friends that boys who take ballet aren't gay. (Well, not necessarily.)

The teacher in the first story, uh . . . not so hot. But then, nobody looks their best in a mug shot.

 

[RedFenix]

I'll just say that as a female teacher, the idea of my students having sex with each other grosses me out so much that I can't even contemplate what these women are thinking

Ewwwww! It's bad enough that I've had to see the boys' underwear (Pants on the Ground indeed!)

I hear you. My high school students don't have sex. Uh, ever. They're all asexual beings, and if anyone ever tries to tell me otherwise, I'll tell them that I was conceived immaculately, too.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I'll just say that as a female teacher, the idea of my students having sex with each other grosses me out so much that I can't even contemplate what these women are thinking

Ewwwww! It's bad enough that I've had to see the boys' underwear (Pants on the Ground indeed!)

I hear you. My high school students don't have sex. Uh, ever. They're all asexual beings, and if anyone ever tries to tell me otherwise, I'll tell them that I was conceived immaculately, too.

You two have cheered me up quite a bit. Thanks.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I'm only outraged if someone is forced to do something against their will. However, there is definitely a double standard out there when it comes to male teachers with female students and vice versa. I know there were a couple of teachers I would have been happy to be touched inappropriately by (or just get nude pictures of) when I was fifteen, and I'm sure it's no different for women.

Is the point of the issue what the hormonally-challenged 15 year old would like to do or what the adult in the position of authority should do? I had a lot of hot teachers I fantasized about when I was a teenager, but in retrospect that doesn't mean it would have been right for them to have sex with me or send me nude pics on my very advanced for the early 1990s cellphone.

It's not even really an age of consent issue primarily as much as it is one of having a position of influence over the kids and that you shouldn't take advantage of it.

 

[gturner]

But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!

How's that for spin?!

 

[ndcarlin]

But in the case of the ballet teacher, perhaps she was just doing her duty. I mean, the boys have to prance around on stage in tights, hoisting hot little ballerinas up by their tender bits. Suppose some of her male students were having a few visible hormone issues. She can't in good conscience let them embarass themselves in front of hundreds or thousands of people. So she does what any young, hot, responsible ballet teacher should do. She takes care of the problem!

How's that for spin?!

My GOD you've been wasting your talents here man! Get thee to D.C.!

 

[Rii]

Laws against sex between adults and minors are to prevent predatory adults from taking sexual advantage of naïve youngsters, and to punish adults who do so. But is that an accurate description of what's happening here? Often it's a case of two people with about the same level of emotional maturity falling into a situation they both know is wrong. These women need psychological help. They've been publicly disgraced, they'll almost certainly never teach again, and no parent will let their kids near them. How is society served by sending them to jail?

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