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Sarek's Katra

Mojochi

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The last we see him, he's alone on a bed, dying, & unwilling to see just about anybody. The last we hear about him is Picard bringing the news to Spock that he's dead... Just dead. They then talk about him in past tense, like that's pretty much it, when we know from his own mouth that the Vulcan way is to pass on his Katra, no? So we shouldn't think he passed it on?
 
The last we see him, he's alone on a bed, dying, & unwilling to see just about anybody. The last we hear about him is Picard bringing the news to Spock that he's dead... Just dead. They then talk about him in past tense, like that's pretty much it, when we know from his own mouth that the Vulcan way is to pass on his Katra, no? So we shouldn't think he passed it on?

Spock put part of his katra into McCoy, before chilling out in the reaction chamber. Sarek seems to have done a similar thing to Michael in Discovery, and possibly during the meld with Picard in his eponymous episode. Both could probably be used to transfer his katra into a katric ark or arks.

Or they had a priestess nearby to transfer as part of an unseen Vulcan last rites ceremony. Or Sarek, seeing all the hubbub around his son, had a "Do Not Katrize" agreement. Maybe many Vulcans do this.
 
Indeed... :vulcan: It had only been a couple of generations (in terms of Vulcan lifespan) since the Katric arts and sciences had been rediscovered after having been suppressed for so long. So even at this point, there may still have been some wrinkles to iron out in the whole process. An incorrectly performed Katric transfer might possibly be a traumatic experience for all parties involved.

Ain't retroactive continuity grand? :techman:

Kor
 
The "Katra" is the biggest pile of shit ever invented in Trek
A blatant tool to re engineer Spock back into existence when he had been killed, that plus the all too convenient Genesis Planet
 
Supposedly, the normal fate of a katra is ending up in a jar (or one of those yellowish crystal things) rather than in somebody's head. Sarek's butleress would no doubt have had the receptacle at hand. Afterwards, it would go to the family shelf (next to which Spock hid in the recent eps), radiating katric thoughts but not remaining particularly conversational or anything.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The "Katra" is the biggest pile of shit ever invented in Trek
A blatant tool to re engineer Spock back into existence when he had been killed, that plus the all too convenient Genesis Planet

And it worked, brilliantly.

Seriously, though, sometimes an apparent plot dead-end can stimulate some innovative idea that make the whole more interesting than a straight-line. Sometimes that kind of thing works out but more often than not it doesn't. I have my doubts that the pickle Star Wars is in can be unwound in Episode IX, for instance. And what I've heard about Terminator Dark Fate to explain the absence of John Connor doesn't inspire confidence. And even though Endgame was wildly successful, the time-travel solution to what looked like a checkmate after Infinity War was full of holes.
 
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Maybe most Vulcans have a "last known good backup" and Spock just hadn't gotten around to it.
Clearly vulcans can survive and continue to do stuff after transferring their Katra.
 
Spock isn't Spock. He died from radiation exposure after defeating Khan. He just implanted a copy of all his memories (i.e. "katra") into McCoy before he died, in the hopes that McCoy could get them transported into a katric ark and put on the shelf. Vulcans have a nifty system where they can access katras of deceased individuals, probably for a set length of time. Must be a boon for historians.

Surak's katra existed in living individuals (Syrran, Jonathan Archer, some other guy), instead of an ark, perhaps to extend its "lifespan" or just due to its importance.

Sarek seemed to think that Spock's katra may have lingered, somehow, in his body after death. Maybe there is a way of accessing these telepathic brainwaves shortly after death, especially if the body is frozen or could be partially regenerated enough to recover some memories.

Spock's katra was inserted into a fresh body, the body of the weird clone regenerated by Genesis protomatter, displacing or more likely merging with the Genesis Spock's consciousness. Legal fiction of the time treated this new Spock, who had all the memories of the old Spock, as the one true Spock, and he received his rank and privileges from Starfleet probably after the Whale Probe Incident.

This new Spock, of course, wasn't much of a Starfleet officer, and, like his father, quickly pivoted to diplomacy and ambassadorships, with a keen focus (beginning at Khitomer) on reunification with the Romulan people. A hugely lofty goal, and perhaps psychologically linked with the odd reunification of minds that brought new Spock into existence in the first place.

Spock's was notably a very rare case, something that hadn't happened in centuries. Surak's katra and the katric arks dating back to pre-Surakian times shows that this is a telepathic technology with a very long history, and cases probably exist of warlords or something living for multiple centuries by implanting their katras into young sacrifices and fully merging their personalities.

By Sarek's time, katric arks were the preferred method of storage, but I have a feeling that even they were neglected in the couple centuries leading up to T'Pol's time, when telepathy and mind melds were shunned in favor of cold, reasonable logic.

Sarek grew up in the post-Reformation age, when the Old Ways of Surak were brought back and studied. He kept a large vault of katric arks, and practiced melding regularly. It might not be societally universal, yet, but it is a practice of his family to store and maintain these arks. Spock might have been Sarek's first chance at making an addition to these arks, if Skon was still alive and Solkar died at a time preceding the Reformation.

100 years later, the fascination with katric arks and maintaining a katra may have ebbed away again, and Sarek's private thoughts are properly kept private while his public actions are recorded in the Federation databanks.
 
The "Katra" is the biggest pile of shit ever invented in Trek
A blatant tool to re engineer Spock back into existence when he had been killed, that plus the all too convenient Genesis Planet
Wasn't Spock swapping katras with Christine in "Return to Tomorrow"?
 
And the ability to do so was never supposed to be part of the Vulcan Way. Normally, katras go to jars - Surak's was in one for millennia, too. Sharing a bit, like Sarek did with his foster daughter, is rare; reinserting after a close call or a brief death is basically unheard of, a mere legend even to the experts.

But with Vulcans, one can never tell. It's not as if Spock after "Return to Tomorrow" would have dropped onto the Rec Room couch, kicked up his legs and gone "You know, Jim, this reminds me of how we Vulcans as kids sometimes played hide and seek with our katras - you know, those soul things I so often told you about, now didn't I?". Every revelation was apparently followed by clamshelling, thus enabling another revelation down the road.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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