Sabotage? [SPOILERS]

[throwback]

I haven't seen this point raised in reviews or in what I have read here.

My question is, why would Kirk expect Marcus to spare his crew?

Captain Kirk was seen as reckless by many in the brass. After the events at Nibiru, a tribunal is held at which it is decided that Kirk will be stripped of his ship and his command, and sent back to the Academy.

Later, Admiral Pike convinces Marcus to reinstate Kirk as Pike's first officer. Pike is killed, and Kirk takes his position as commander of the Enterprise.

Kirk talks to Marcus. Marcus doesn't need much convincing to authorize the mission to Qo'nos, and to help Kirk with his mission, he lends him 72 advanced torpedoes. Marcus is already working on the basis that Kirk is seen as a reckless commander, and Marcus has a secret agenda - start a war with the Klingons.

So, the Enterprise is sent with a core that is later revealed to be sabotaged by Section 31. The ship breaks down near the or in Klingon space. If Kirk had obeyed the Admiral's orders, the Klingons would have located the attacking ship and destroy the Enterprise. The attack would be attributed to a reckless commander. The ship and crew were expendable.

So, when confronted with the very man who sent him here, and for whom Khan identified as the one who ordered the sabotage of the Enterprise, and when the Admiral doesn't deny his involvement with the warp core sabotage, why did Kirk feel then that he could reason with this man and save his crew? To the admiral, the ship was expendable.

(I wish that Kirk was more reflective on this. His behavior was used against him by someone else in a position of authority, and his behavior would have resulted in the loss of the ship and crew.)

 

[BillJ]

He was trying to save his crew. Isn't that what Kirk always does?

 

[Amaris]

It was a desperate attempt to call upon the man's humanity, in order to save his crew. Unfortunately, it didn't work.

 

[Commishsleer]

Kirk was desperate for anything maybe hoping Marcus would save the crew and publicly blame him for invading Klingon territory unauthorised.
At this point Shatner Kirk would have been stalling for time while he or Spock or somebody carried out another brilliant plan. nuKirk just didn't have the experience or luck of PrimeKirk.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

At this point Shatner Kirk would have been stalling for time while he or Spock or somebody carried out another brilliant plan. nuKirk just didn't have the experience or luck of PrimeKirk.

In the spirit of homages, this would have been a golden opportunity for Carol Marcus to give them the Vengeance's prefix codes. That way, they could have taken a pot shot before warping off. The Vengenance wouldn't have been severely damaged, and it would have added to the intensity of the moment when it catches up to the Enterprise at warp and blasts the crap out of it.

 

[starburst]

So, when confronted with the very man who sent him here, and for whom Khan identified as the one who ordered the sabotage of the Enterprise, and when the Admiral doesn't deny his involvement with the warp core sabotage, why did Kirk feel then that he could reason with this man and save his crew? To the admiral, the ship was expendable.

(I wish that Kirk was more reflective on this. His behavior was used against him by someone else in a position of authority, and his behavior would have resulted in the loss of the ship and crew.)

I think thats exactly why he turns to the bridge crew and says "I'm sorry", its a moment of growth wrapped up in two simple words with a good delivery which shows he knows he has gotten them all killed.

He will still always pull a crazy stunt to get out of a bind, as Pike said he has the "instinct to leap without looking", but now he should have learnt the humility Pike realised he lacked and so will find balance.

 

[publiusr]

Speaking of Sabotage, Scotty could have said something about overthinking the plumbins--easier to stop up the drain. Vengence after all, is another name for Wrath, so Khan having designed it is perfect--it is his wrath after all.

 

[Grant]

It was a desperate attempt to call upon the man's humanity, in order to save his crew. Unfortunately, it didn't work.

Yes and nobody knew how big a POS Marcus was until he showed everyone he had no decency left.

 

[sj4iy]

That was the last movie, this movie it was "Body Movin'"

 

[Therin of Andor]

http://www.hark.com/clips/gqvqxszqrr-400-years-ago-on-the-planet-earth
"400 years ago on the planet Earth, workers who felt their livelihood threatened by automation flung their wooden shoes, called sabots, into the machines to stop them. Hence, the word 'sabotage'." [Valeris, ST VI]

 

[Locutus of Bored]

That was the last movie, this movie it was "Body Movin'"

Kirk really must love the Beastie Boys (classical hip hop is all the rage in the 23rd century). I bet he even writes lame song parodies about his adventures set to their music.

I can't stand it, how Marcus planned it
He'll unleash a spate of Klingon hate
We talked to Spock about Khan being here
'Cause the History Channel ain't so crystal clear

So while Marcus hits our warp drive
Bones' fucking metaphors are a pain in my side
Oh my God, he'll unleash a barrage
I'm sorry... wait... his ship is sabotaged!

So, so, so, so listen up 'cause you can't shoot nothin'
Scotty shut you down with the push of a button
But now I'm out, in space with Khan
I'll tell you now, it's your ship we're landing on

Stun Khan 'cause he'll betray us yet
Holy shit, he crushed Robocop's head!
I wanted to say I'll knock up his daughter outside marriage
How's that for sabataaage?

What?
How did I pronounce the word?
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage

I can't stand it, I know Khan planned it
He's gonna head straight for the Golden Gate
Spock, I'll try dyin' if it'll get the ship back into space
But I feel displaced because it used to be you in my place

No time to scream it's Khan you should battle
You're a badass som'bitch when you fly off the handle
Don't kill him yet, his magic blood's O-Pos
I'm coming back to life, cue credits montage

 

[propita]

Speaking of Sabotage, Scotty could have said something about overthinking the plumbins--easier to stop up the drain. Vengence after all, is another name for Wrath, so Khan having designed it is perfect--it is his wrath after all.

Don't forget Spock's comment that Kirk faces not only the wrath of the Klingons but also "the Wrath of Uhura." Lol!

 

[sj4iy]

That was the last movie, this movie it was "Body Movin'"

Kirk really must love the Beastie Boys (classical hip hop is all the rage in the 23rd century). I bet he even writes lame song parodies about his adventures set to their music.

I can't stand it, how Marcus planned it
He'll unleash a spate of Klingon hate
We talked to Spock about Khan being here
'Cause the History Channel ain't so crystal clear

So while Marcus hits our warp drive
Bones' fucking metaphors are a pain in my side
Oh my God, he'll unleash a barrage
I'm sorry... wait... his ship is sabotaged!

So, so, so, so listen up 'cause you can't shoot nothin'
Scotty shut you down with the push of a button
But now I'm out, in space with Khan
I'll tell you now, it's your ship we're landing on

Stun Khan 'cause he'll betray us yet
Holy shit, he crushed Robocop's head!
I wanted to say I'll knock up his daughter outside marriage
How's that for sabataaage?

What?
How did I pronounce the word?
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage

I can't stand it, I know Khan planned it
He's gonna head straight for the Golden Gate
Spock, I'll try dyin' if it'll get the ship back into space
But I feel displaced because it used to be you in my place

No time to scream it's Khan you should battle
You're a badass som'bitch when you fly off the handle
Don't kill him yet, his magic blood's O-Pos
I'm coming back to life, cue credits montage

Holy shit, that's f**king awesome.

The next movie just HAS to have "Intergalactic".

 

[Cadet49]

That was the last movie, this movie it was "Body Movin'"

Kirk really must love the Beastie Boys (classical hip hop is all the rage in the 23rd century). I bet he even writes lame song parodies about his adventures set to their music.

I can't stand it, how Marcus planned it
He'll unleash a spate of Klingon hate
We talked to Spock about Khan being here
'Cause the History Channel ain't so crystal clear

So while Marcus hits our warp drive
Bones' fucking metaphors are a pain in my side
Oh my God, he'll unleash a barrage
I'm sorry... wait... his ship is sabotaged!

So, so, so, so listen up 'cause you can't shoot nothin'
Scotty shut you down with the push of a button
But now I'm out, in space with Khan
I'll tell you now, it's your ship we're landing on

Stun Khan 'cause he'll betray us yet
Holy shit, he crushed Robocop's head!
I wanted to say I'll knock up his daughter outside marriage
How's that for sabataaage?

What?
How did I pronounce the word?
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage
I say sabataaage, you say sabotage

I can't stand it, I know Khan planned it
He's gonna head straight for the Golden Gate
Spock, I'll try dyin' if it'll get the ship back into space
But I feel displaced because it used to be you in my place

No time to scream it's Khan you should battle
You're a badass som'bitch when you fly off the handle
Don't kill him yet, his magic blood's O-Pos
I'm coming back to life, cue credits montage

Holy shit, that's f**king awesome.

The next movie just HAS to have "Intergalactic".

Haha - I was thinking 'Intergalactic' too, just to see everyone's startled expressions when the Beastie Boys refer to Mr. Spock in the song ... "just like a pinch from Mr. Spock!". That could be the whole plotline to the next movie - how did the BB know about Spock!