Saavik falls asleep

[Maurice]

The solution, before I forget?

Nimoy wanted David to suffer an operatic fall for hubris, so he wasn't interested in any explanation that would lessen David's culpability.

 

[InLoveWithJimKirk]

Anyone else annoyed by Nimoy having Saavik fall asleep in TSFS, leading to her being completely taken by surprise and captured so easily?
Nimoy always offered himself as the expert of Vulcan behavior and they clearly show and state in TOS that Vulcans "can go weeks without sleep", but he goes out of his way to portray every single Starfleet member except our old crew is morons or jerks, including having Saavik fool around with Spock (the excuse being it saves his life I guess) and then taking a nap while an outnumbered civilian takes on a Klingon landing party.
Nimoy IMO, always wanted the audience to not care for Saavik and certainly not become a regular. But having her behave so stupidly before and after the Ponn Farr really bugs me.

In the script she is NOT asleep but get gets captured in the tiny cave she and Spock are in. But he felt that wasn't enough -- she needs to be sound asleep. It would have been nice to see her aware that the Klingons were approaching and using her training and Vulcan strength to do a decent job defending herself. There were three opponents there so she still would have gotten captured as the story required.

That's TSFS for me -- one beautiful scene followed by a really dumb or nonsensical scene. To me it's the most uneven of the first 6 movies.

I also thought that David’s death was a cheap shot and missed opportunity for future stories. I agree that Saavik wasn’t treated realistically as a Starfleet officer and she was pretty much shoved aside and irrelevant in ST IV.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

nah this doesn't annoy me me. Not even a little.

Same here.

Saavik falling asleep was a non-issue. She's fatigued. Fatigued people need and do sleep, even in dangerous situations. She was not a damn Terminator.

Okay? Then they had multiple adrenaline spikes with the finding of life signs on Genesis, finding Spock's coffin abandoned, finding the child Spock and the destruction of the Grissom. Then to top it all off they had to navigate miles of rough terrain to keep ahead of the Klingons.

Not seeing the issue...

Exactly. there was no issue, and I cannot recall anyone complaining about sleeping Saavik back in 1984...or any time after that.

 

[Pauln6]

You have to remember that Genesis was so far out there were no other ships in interception range. Saavik was probably surviving on that planet for weeks or months staying ahead of the Klingons while Kirk pootled along at warp 6. She only slept twice in that whole time!

 

[Nerys Myk]

You have to remember that Genesis was so far out there were no other ships in interception range. Saavik was probably surviving on that planet for weeks or months staying ahead of the Klingons while Kirk pootled along at warp 6. She only slept twice in that whole time!

Where is any of this established?

 

[Set Harth]

pootled along

 

[Pauln6]

Where is any of this established?

Star Trek II. It was so remote, they only had a boatload of children in range. You might think it's a really long way to the shops, but that's just peanuts to space.

Look at the Empire Strikes Back too, where it look the Millennium Falcon 47 years to get from Hoth to Bespin at sublight speeds.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek II. It was so remote, they only had a boatload of children in range. You might think it's a really long way to the shops, but that's just peanuts to space.

Look at the Empire Strikes Back too, where it look the Millennium Falcon 47 years to get from Hoth to Bespin at sublight speeds.

I don’t think “only ship in range” is a good measure of distance in Star Trek “.

 

[cooleddie74]

But the most convenient storytelling metric in the movies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When deciding on a course, Spock instructs Sulu to "indulge himself." I wonder if Sulu plotted a course to take the ship in the general direction of his old buddy Chekov?

 

[cooleddie74]

"I know this great Risan massage parlor...."

 

[Nerys Myk]

"I know this great Risan massage parlor...."

"De happy ending vas inwented in Russia."

 

[cooleddie74]

Not based on recent footage I've seen.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It happened in a movie that I haven’t watched for 20 years. I didn’t care then and if I did, I’d certainly be well over it by now.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Nimoy wanted David to suffer an operatic fall for hubris, so he wasn't interested in any explanation that would lessen David's culpability.

That, and Merritt Butrick didn't want to continue on in future Star Trek movies as David Marcus.

 

[DonIago]

That, and Merritt Butrick didn't want to continue on in future Star Trek movies as David Marcus.

I've not heard this before; do you have a source?

 

[BillJ]

That, and Merritt Butrick didn't want to continue on in future Star Trek movies as David Marcus.

Yet, he was definitely around to collect some of that sweet Trek gravy when TNG rolled in.

I think he would’ve been onboard for a continued movie paycheck.

 

[Maurice]

Sans source, me be skepticalized.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Sans source, me be skepticalized.

He said it in an article/interview in Starlog magazine. And he probably did that TNG episode because it was a different character and not David Marcus.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Sans source, me be skepticalized.

Uhura and Yoda got married?