Saavik falls asleep
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Well no, because....
...it wasn't the writing, as you yourself say.
Harve Bennett is innocent. I get you don't like Nimoy's choice (apparently really don't like it), but in the almost 42 years that I've been watching this movie, I never gave it a thought. Since most of the films have the characters making questionable decisions in service of the plots, and some of these films are considered excellent (and I count TSFS to be among the best), nah this doesn't annoy me me. Not even a little.
Should she have fallen asleep? Probably not. I don't even like the idea of actual penetration sex during this particular crisis, as hinted by the actors in the end as well as the discarded reason for Saavik staying on Vulcan in the next movie. They're out of place and, IMO, in questionable taste. But that does nothing to sour my feelings of the film. The first 3 movies were exactly what I was looking for in Trek films.
Questionable choices by the writers and directors abound. TUC is packed with them and most fans lose their minds of that movie.
*snaps fingers* That's where my mind went!
"Script wasn't written exactly the way I now see it in my head so I don't like it and need to broadcast that to others"
message received.
Anyway, I was watching TSFS yesterday oddly enough, and noticed an interesting thing I hadn't payed attention to. When the other Vulcans bow their heads in meditation during the Fal-tor-Pan, Saavik does so as well though she's with the rest of the crew of the Starfleet crew so it's not as noticeable.
The more pressing question: DidT'Pau (edit: T'Lar) basically Tuvix Genesis-Spock to death? Sure he was a man of few words but there was something going on in his head at least for awhile.
message received.
Anyway, I was watching TSFS yesterday oddly enough, and noticed an interesting thing I hadn't payed attention to. When the other Vulcans bow their heads in meditation during the Fal-tor-Pan, Saavik does so as well though she's with the rest of the crew of the Starfleet crew so it's not as noticeable.
The more pressing question: Did
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It's just a movie. If you dislike it, don't watch it.
By the way everyone, I just woke up after sleeping the night. My life is subject to some really crappy writing.
TSFS was the first stage transition movie getting the series back to the status quo. Whether decisions about Saavik were done this way intentionally, I have no clue, but she is less interesting played as Nimoy directed her. So losing her in the next movie wasn't a blow. By the end of TVH, everyone was back in their TV series positions.
It's a shame because Robin Curtis wasn't a poor actor by any means, but she wasn't permitted to do much with the character. I would love to see what she could have done with it had she been cast as Saavik from the start.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I always needed a nappy nap (also sandwich) after some Pon Farr. Granted, I wouldn't be fully dressed with my hair back in place, but maybe the Genesis Wave was still doing its thing.
Asleep twice.
Kind of funny that in TWOK Saavik saves David's life twice in the space of 5 minutes. Once by knocking him out of Terrell's phaser fire and then by preventing him from jumping into the transporter beam when Khan beams up the torpedo. She says "only half of you would get there!", in the work print (which is drown out by the transporter noise in the movie). But even if he lived thru the beam up he would have died on Reliant.
In TSFS she does nothing as the Klingon is about to kill one of them and then he makes his ill-fated move. I guess she felt like, 'your turn." LOL.
Kind of funny that in TWOK Saavik saves David's life twice in the space of 5 minutes. Once by knocking him out of Terrell's phaser fire and then by preventing him from jumping into the transporter beam when Khan beams up the torpedo. She says "only half of you would get there!", in the work print (which is drown out by the transporter noise in the movie). But even if he lived thru the beam up he would have died on Reliant.
In TSFS she does nothing as the Klingon is about to kill one of them and then he makes his ill-fated move. I guess she felt like, 'your turn." LOL.
Okay? Then they had multiple adrenaline spikes with the finding of life signs on Genesis, finding Spock's coffin abandoned, finding the child Spock and the destruction of the Grissom. Then to top it all off they had to navigate miles of rough terrain to keep ahead of the Klingons.
Not seeing the issue...
Which is funny, given that this isn't how the transporter has been portrayed in any other series, including TOS.
For me, this is the most problematic element of the movie. Spock-2 is simply erased/overwritten so Spock-1 can be reborn. It may have been limited by the expedited timeframe of Genesis, but Spock-2 had had his own experiences that were simply wiped out in order to return Spock-1.
Do we know for sure that Spock's Genesis memories weren't integrated? (Honest question, I don't recall.)
Maybe the reason newly-awakened Spock was slow to act like the person we knew is because he was still dealing with two sets of conflicting memories?
Do we know for sure that Spock's Genesis memories weren't integrated? (Honest question, I don't recall.)
Maybe the reason newly-awakened Spock was slow to act like the person we knew is because he was still dealing with two sets of conflicting memories?
It is certainly never stated.
And there’s a lot going on in this movie for the Grissom landing party. Resting when one can is actually a good idea. They likely thought they were safe to sleep for a few hours.
That would explain for the long look to Saavik “uh thanks for the finger rub thing”Do we know for sure that Spock's Genesis memories weren't integrated? (Honest question, I don't recall.)
Maybe the reason newly-awakened Spock was slow to act like the person we knew is because he was still dealing with two sets of conflicting memories?
160 INT. CAVE - GENESIS - CLOSE - THE YOUNG SPOCK (17) 160
Morning light is streaming in. His eyes are closed, he
breathes calmly. A hand, Saavik's, ENTERS SHOT, to
sooth his brow and smooth his matted hair.
161 SAAVIK 161
A softer look than we have seen before. But a look of
concern and apprehension.
She sighs, then picks up communicator. She is about to
transmit a message when an instinct makes her put it
down, turn to the cave entrance. We PAN with her look
to cave entry, low. There, a pair of Klingon boots
stand.
162 BACK TO SAAVIK 162
She reacts, starts to rise, when Klingon hands grab
her, pull her to her feet. CAMERA WHIP PANS to young
Spock who opens his eyes with a start, stares in con-
fusion -- then hands grab him and --
I can't speak to how this was filmed.
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