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S13E01 "The Halloween Apocalypse" BBC1 6.25pm 31st October

Rate "The Halloween Apocalypse"

  • Spooktastic

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    Votes: 14 28.6%
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  • Spook-crap-stic

    Votes: 1 2.0%

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    49
Looks like somebody voted prematurely. :shifty:

Wasn't me. :D

The press were shut out of an advanced preview of the first episode

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Chibnall has been consistent on secrecy, which is good either which way - but comparatively depressing if the episodes fall flat. But it keeps expectations lower, which never hurts. But there's such a thing as too little too, probably.

Though I wish the actual episodes were as bright and lively as the promotional posters - which Chib's team always got right perfectly.

I'm hoping that much like Capaldi, Whittaker's final series turns out to be my favourite. (Hey, I can dream!)

Capaldi and Mackie left me wanting far more, especially when his era started so unevenly then got worse, to the point people skipped out and missed a truly refreshing year.
 
The new Sontaran helmets and collars are very inspired by the Invasion Of Time versions, I note. I'm just trying to wrap my head round Jonathan Watson from Only An Excuse being their leader...
 
Mind you, Series 12 started off well with Spyfall, then went all disappointing on us, so no guarantee of consistent quality here.
 
I can't quite tell If I enjoyed that or not. The Doctor and Yas dynamic was good, John Bishop was hilarious and there were a lot of mysteries set up, but damn there was so much thrown at the screen and I wonder if a lot of viewers might have zoned out.

Nice that they're following up on the Timeless Child rather than the Doctor just ignoring it.

Anyway, a mess but not an unenjoyable one.
 
One of the advantages of being a bloody Yank, I have no idea who is that actor or the property with which he's normally associated to to influence my perception of him playing a Sontaran.

Same here. When JNT did stunt casting in the 80s, or even when some actors of the 60s who had done Carry On and other comedies, now did Doctor Who, there's no possibility of typecasting. Bonnie Langford was apparently derided, but I never saw why, apart form the fact she worked better with Colin's Doctor or when Ace was around as the two made a great companion duo. There was a game show host who knocked it out of the park as the priest in "The Curse of Fenric" (Nicholas Parsons?).


I can't quite tell If I enjoyed that or not. The Doctor and Yas dynamic was good, John Bishop was hilarious and there were a lot of mysteries set up, but damn there was so much thrown at the screen and I wonder if a lot of viewers might have zoned out.

Nice that they're following up on the Timeless Child rather than the Doctor just ignoring it.

Anyway, a mess but not an unenjoyable one.


Not surprised that they're keeping TTC's story going. How they end it at the end of the season will be of more interest... sounds like it's a good start. Will be seeing it tomorrow...
 
With it being broadcast on BBC America at 2:25 Pm (Eastern), I initially wondered if it was effectively in sync with the (real BBC broadcast and we might not have to suffer commercials (like they did on November 23, 2013 with "Day of the Doctor"). Nope, we got riddled with them as usual. I suspect it was a delayed feed that grew progressively more out of sync with each commercial break. I wonder if the 8 PM repeat airing tonight listed as an "extended cut" will just be the exact same footage, just with more and even longer commercial interruptions.
 
I liked it. I didn't love it, but I liked it.

A lot of stuff going on, not all of it necessarily required in this episode, especially the Weeping Angels, Sontarans and the secret Liverpool tunnels. But it did at least create a sense of mystery as to how all these things are connected, and presumably we'll get our explanations eventually.

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels are a real thing by the way, and indeed no-one knows why they were dug. That makes this part of the story a celebrity historical.

Loved Yaz as a more confident, experienced companion, and I loved the few moments we got of an all-female Tardis team. The question of why there was a mattress in the Tardis control room will undoubtedly set the Thasmin shippers aflame. John Bishop didn't especially impress me, he was no Catherine Tate in terms of an actor known for comedy revealing unexpected dramatic skills, but again we'll see how it goes.

Swarm (the name of the crystal-headed guy, it wasn't spoken on screen) is obviously somebody from the Doctor's forgotten pre-Hartnell past, and presumably to do with the Timeless Child. A couple of interesting things - he was being held by the Division, which were the secret Time Lord police the Doctor used to work for. And he also is apparently immortal and basically "regenerated" when he broke out of prison. So is he one of the original Doctor's non-Gallifreyan species? Could he even be... the Master in an equally eternal forgotten pregeneration? Does their enmity go back that far?

Also, it is my current theory that the Division was specifically tasked with looking for answers about the Timeless Child - where it came from, if there are any others, etc. It was done in secret so that Time Lord society at large didn't find out the real history, and they hired the Doctor in the hopes they would have some special insight, but still kept it secret even from the Doctor themself. We don't know exactly what led the Ruth Doctor to defect from them, but I wonder if they're not necessarily evil - especially since they were trying to stop the clearly universe-destroying Swarm guy.

It is also now clearly a deliberate irony that the Doctor who most began by wanting to leave her past behind is now the one diving further back into her past than any other. The no-returning-villains arc of Season 11 is revealed as part one of a long game. And my big complaint about "The Timeless Children" as an episode was not the revelations themselves but the fact that they were delivered through the Doctor standing there powerless while the Master exposited at her, rather than her doing anything to find that information for herself. So the fact that she is now actively going out there and trying to find answers is a good thing.

A strange number of references to former companions in this ep. Space Station Rose of course, and the Doctor saying "Nice to meet you, Dan - run for your life!" is a direct quote from the "Rose" ep. Plus a strange woman turns up called Claire (not far from Clara), says she took the long way home, and knew what to do with a Weeping Angel. Sontarans are in it (Martha and Donna), Angels are in it (Amy and River), Cybermen are in it (Bill). It may be a stretch, but could the 60th anniversary, rather than all the Doctors coming back like in the 50th, involve all the companions coming back to help the Doctor save the universe?
 
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So beyond Chibnall's paranoid fear of spoilers I can't see why review copies weren't sent out to the newspapers and magazines. This was a good episode by his standards and would have gotten decent reviews. He's basically just throwing away free publicity.
 
I loved it and look forward to watching it again at 8pm to get all the bits I didn't catch.

BBC America has chosen *very* interesting episodes to show today. I don't think they were chosen at random. :)
 
So beyond Chibnall's paranoid fear of spoilers I can't see why review copies weren't sent out to the newspapers and magazines. This was a good episode by his standards and would have gotten decent reviews. He's basically just throwing away free publicity.

I wonder if it was just a matter of so much going on in the episode and them thinking that might generate negatives?

The Mirror are already taking this tack!
 
Hmm, interesting. Bit shouty, bit non stop action, and not in a fun way, but a watchable episode. Got a sense of, "Let's throw it all at the wall and see what sticks!"I've certainly watched worse.
 
The Doctor and Yas dynamic was good
The question of why there was a mattress in the Tardis control room will undoubtedly set the Thasmin shippers aflame.
Best part of the episode. I wish it had just stayed the two of them, without the new guy.
Hmm, interesting. Bit shouty, bit non stop action, and not in a fun way, but a watchable episode.
It was annoying. Chibnall obviously doesn't have Moffat's chops for writing complicated storylines.
 
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