Spoilers S10E06 "Extremis" Review, Discussion and Grade Thread
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For the initial reading, yes, but it wouldn't work when people tested it on themselves like we saw at CERN.
He doesn't deserve an appearance on Doctor Who...even if....
There needs to be suspension of disbelief. Trump would never kill himself.
"See, this is a big witch hunt, everyone really does think like me, it's a cover-up".
"See, this is a big witch hunt, everyone really does think like me, it's a cover-up".
Serious or not, it's not an unlikely continuation, and stitches up the plot holes.
Aside from the obvious flow noted above, it's actually not bad either. Even with the flaw, the aliens now know how often people would go beyond the paper test before killing themselves.If you can simulate different personalities exactly--having each come up with a random number isn't asking much.
Riff on Roko's Basilisk
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...errifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
The basilisk and I came to an understanding eons (or maybe moments) ago.
He tortures...
I suffer.
It all works very well.
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Actually, the "regeneration energy" thing as regards blindness is pretty consistent with previous uses - the Doctor has been shown to be able to heal his own wounds in the immediate lead-up/aftermath of a regeneration, and can use regen energy to heal another Time Lord (or close approximation in River's case) outside that, but has NOT been shown to be able to use the energy to heal his own injuries at other times.
And the "hasn't used the TARDIS to visit an advanced surgical facility" argument could also be countered in that the Time Lords were among the most advanced species in the whole of history - if they (as evidenced by the TARDIS med-bay) don't have tech that could restore the Doctor's sight, then it's likely beyond anyone else could (barring unethical procedures that he wouldn't consider).
And the "hasn't used the TARDIS to visit an advanced surgical facility" argument could also be countered in that the Time Lords were among the most advanced species in the whole of history - if they (as evidenced by the TARDIS med-bay) don't have tech that could restore the Doctor's sight, then it's likely beyond anyone else could (barring unethical procedures that he wouldn't consider).
I would even go on and say he's explicitly saying he's going to let Missy out to help him with the coming invasion because he can't do it alone.
This is what I suspect, I think the Simm Master is going to be behind the invasion... or at least the Master Mind--sorry--and is being used by the Aliens. So, Missy and the Doctor are going to team up and stop the Simm Master.
As far as the episode, I liked it. I liked finding out the people we were watching were digital simulations. And I was really really really hoping we were going to discover the whole season had been a digital simulation of some kind. That somehow at the beginning we slipped into it. But, then, that's pretty radical of an idea for a family show.
Still. Fun story. Especially in the context of Part One (Of three?) of a series of stories.
I agree but why would the Doctor do such a thing when he knows how dangerous the Master is? Presumably, it is because he is hoping she will have some goodness inside her based on her "last words" and because they have a kind of friendship between them. But still, The Master/Missy is a total psycho, mass murderer who should never be trusted or set free.
Why would Missy stop her previous incarnation? If anything, she would betray the Doctor and join forces with the Simm Master.
There's always the Sisterhood Of Karn. They've "elevated Timelord science". If anyone could do it, it'd be them.
The director was chatting on the Australian fan after-show last night and mentioned that; he mentioned it, along with the numbers thing, as pointers that it wasn't the real world. He also mentioned that Trump gets a mention next week (he also directed that episode). He then suggested, in a joking way, that next episode's world is either real, or an upgraded virtual world.
Also, the Pope Benedict IX portrait was based on Angeline Jolie legbombing on the red carpet; in wide shots, you can see the Pope legboming out of her robes.
That's because the email program was specifically designed to do that. Very different than here. I'll suspend my disbelief for the sake of the story. There were other wonky things too. The number thing, really?!
In one of the first scenes with the Pope, the Cardinal mentions Benedict IX, to which the Doctor responds "Ah, Pope Benedict..." The incumbent Pope was not named in the episode, though IMO the actor does kind of resemble Francis.I could have sworn Nardole or The Doctor said Benedict, but I could be wrong.
Regardless, even if we went with your earlier suggestion that it was supposed to be prior to 2013, that clearly can't be the case. That would mean Obama would still be US President (TEOT established he was POTUS in the DW universe) and that clearly wasn't him we saw in the Oval Office this week.
Indeed, were Trump to read the Veritas he'd try to manipulate it into benefitting him somehow.
He will release her because he will desperately need her help. And because he's the Doctor, he will be hopeful she is reformed.
After all, the Master did help the Doctor during The End Of Time by taking out Rassilon.
1. It would be an interesting twist.
2. Why would she help her precious self? The Doctor doesn't always get along with his previous self, but they ultimately work together because they are a hero. As you said, The Master is a psychopath. Maybe he really loathes any version that isn't himself/herself? Maybe this is how Missy came to be? By defeating the Master, Missy can be born. Moffat does like timey whimey twists.
I know you meant "previous" but The Simm Master is rather precious, isn't he?
Benedict is indeed mentioned a few times but in reference to the former pope so it'd be an easy mistake.I could have sworn Nardole or The Doctor said Benedict, but I could be wrong.
Why would 10 not want to regenerate into 11 even though it is himself? Same reason.
Remember, in the EU novels the Seventh Doctor's personality subconsciously prodded Six into crashing into the Rani's tractor beam, killing him because Seven thought that Six couldn't be ruthless enough to face the challenges ahead.
Now, while I don't like the idea of future regens being present but "locked away" in a Time Lord's head, it sets a precedent for Missy thinking she's a "better" version of the Master - the Doctor has looked down on his past selves before so Missy may view SimmMaster as "not one of my better attempts" and wish to bring about her emergence.
Alternatively, if Simm regenerated for different reasons originally, Missy might be seeking to create a personal paradox for some ulterior motive by altering the means of her own "birth".
Now, while I don't like the idea of future regens being present but "locked away" in a Time Lord's head, it sets a precedent for Missy thinking she's a "better" version of the Master - the Doctor has looked down on his past selves before so Missy may view SimmMaster as "not one of my better attempts" and wish to bring about her emergence.
Alternatively, if Simm regenerated for different reasons originally, Missy might be seeking to create a personal paradox for some ulterior motive by altering the means of her own "birth".
My feelings are mixed. The simulation 'it never really happened' thing doesn't bother me, because there is still a witness to it so it did 'happen' in that sense. But this episode is clearly trying so hard to be 'important', and I spent so much time sitting there watching trying to figure out what the hell was going on, that I couldn't actually enjoy it in the moment. I can only assume that on future viewings I will enjoy it more.
This whole season has been a bit 'meh' for me. Nothing really wrong with it, nothing I can point to and say 'there, that's my problem'. I just haven't been feeling it like I was in previous seasons. But then I seem to be unlike many in what I do and don't like - I don't care for season 5 but I love season 7, for example, which is apparently a rare opinion.
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This whole season has been a bit 'meh' for me. Nothing really wrong with it, nothing I can point to and say 'there, that's my problem'. I just haven't been feeling it like I was in previous seasons. But then I seem to be unlike many in what I do and don't like - I don't care for season 5 but I love season 7, for example, which is apparently a rare opinion.
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