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S03 E22 The Council

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Sorry for the delay folks, I'm a bit busy at the mo with my accounting course and didn't keep track of how long the other one was going on for.

Here's the next episode for your review. Mods can you unpin the previous thread and pin this one please?

How would you grade The Council and what are your thoughts and critisms of the episode?
 
Simply put, one of the best episodes of ENT. IMHO, third season epidodes were the best in all of ENT. There was a consistent (well, most of the time) idea behind the Xindi arc which was executed with some sense of originality. On this episode the story was on its peak. Tragically we loose Degra in this outing -- maybe one of the best guest characters this series had. I also love the production design of the inside of the sphere. Eh, I vote for 10 -- Excellent! :bolian:
 
3x22 – “The Council”
cut-throat, like real government :evil:

Another decent enough episode, The Council just doesn’t manage to inspire all that much in me, one way or the other. There were little annoyances here and there, and little niceties here and there too, so it all just kind of balanced out for me.

T’Pol continues her struggle with the after-effects of having taken Trellium-D as a drug, which I’m sure isn’t doing the P’Nars any good either… :rolleyes: …and Trip manages to walk in on T’Pol discussing it with Phlox, which I’m sure panics her as she beats a hasty retreat from the room mid-sentence. Trip is made to be annoyingly clueless – “you notice something different about her lately?” I’d have thought the whole thing over Lorian and finding out that in an AU they only narrowly avoided they ended up together might have clued him in to what might be eating her lately.

The whole business with the sphere was played up a little too much. First I have to wonder how it is the Xindi never figured out how to get in the things for all their studies of them when T’Pol managed to detect the holographic exhaust port with the NX-01’s shuttlepod. Heh, which reminds me, Death Star anyone? :lol: Sorry, as if their looks weren’t enough, we actually had them use the exhaust port to get into the thing . But moving along, I find it hard to believe that even though the Osari pirates used a convenient hole in their sphere and fashioned a garage door for themselves, that the deadly security devices didn’t get them. Makes one wonder what caused the damage to begin with. T’Pol’s “hold your course” bit was a little annoying for me too, considering that Reed was right about simply telling them that there was a false image over the exhaust port (exhaust for what I wonder). It was also wholly predictable from the moment we met that MACO that he’d be biting the dust in this mission.

As for the sphere builders themselves, called the Guardians by the Xindi, they reminded me an awful lot of the female shapeshifter from DS9. Having them float around in the fog was a bit weird too. I am curious about how they managed to build the spheres themselves though, considering that they can’t exist in our universe.

TPTB managed to keep a fairly realistic portrayal of bigotry and hatred on Trip’s part. Though Degra has been trying really hard to essentially earn his penance through Trip, he utterly fails, stories of woe and regret be damned. Trip barely managed to keep himself from getting physical, because the harder Degra tried to make it up to him, the more he hated him (from what I could tell), and I think it was very powerful to have them part on those terms considering that Degra would soon be murdered.

The Xindi Council itself… well… I’m not really sure how to feel about it. Truth be told I didn’t find it all that interesting. Political maneuvering can have its own drama, but with all the breaks when it started to get heated and constantly getting a play-by-play from Degra and his friends took most of the interest out of it for me. And the discussion between Archer and Hoshi about going to the principal’s office seemed out of place to me. Speaking of being out of place, I can’t believe Archer tried to manhandle the guy that not all that long ago had beaten him within an inch of his life, and who had been insisting he be killed ever since he showed up at their meeting. :wtf: Served his dumbass right to get tossed on the table by that Insectoid, and he’s lucky that’s all he got.

I never thought I’d consider Degra a poor bastard though, but he really was. Not only did he not get his penance from Trip, but just as he was starting to make up for being a mass murderer, he was himself murdered by that Reptilian commander, whose speech was very reminiscent of Magwa’s speech to Gray Hair in The Last of the Mohicans.

Trip, to his credit, seemed to feel a bit guilty and was definitely taken aback at news of Degra’s murder. I almost have to wonder if he might have been guilty to have been wishing death on Degra for so long, and then when it happened after Degra had actually helped them, because he had helped them, he regretted wishing death on him. Or perhaps part of him was glad Degra had been killed, but the reasonable side of him regretted feeling that way. I just love speculating about characters’ feelings and motivations, don’t you? :D Whatever his reasons, Trip did manage to swallow his hatred and ask Degra’s friend about those APUs Degra had so generously given him.

Not feeling very strongly either way about this episode, I think about 7/10 is appropriate.
 
Captain X said:The whole business with the sphere was played up a little too much. First I have to wonder how it is the Xindi never figured out how to get in the things for all their studies of them when T’Pol managed to detect the holographic exhaust port with the NX-01’s shuttlepod.
T'Pol discovered the port when the Xindi had not because the NX had stumbled fortunately upon a sphere in disrepair in "Anomaly". This allowed her to study it all season.
But moving along, I find it hard to believe that even though the Osari pirates used a convenient hole in their sphere and fashioned a garage door for themselves, that the deadly security devices didn’t get them.
It was stated in "Anomaly" the sphere was in disrepair.
I am curious about how they managed to build the spheres themselves though, considering that they can’t exist in our universe.
They obviously opened a rift in much the same way that allowed the test subject in Harbinger to access our universe and deposited them. Although it might have been a better idea were we to learn that the Xindi had placed them there on behalf of their Guardians.


For me I give it a 9 or 9.5. It was full of suspense, intrigue, everyone working the same problem from different directions, had wonderful poduction designs, visuals, battle sequences and reminded me in all the good ways of DS9's Dominion stories. A splendid First Act of the Final Showdown.
 
Captain X said:
Heh, which reminds me, Death Star anyone? :lol:

Thank god I'm not the only one that thought that :rommie:

It was also wholly predictable from the moment we met that MACO that he’d be biting the dust in this mission.

Do MACO uniforms come with red undershirts standard-issue? lol

I am curious about how they managed to build the spheres themselves though, considering that they can’t exist in our universe.

See now that's one thing that's eating me. Granted, they might have built it in their own dimension and sent it over, but how did they get materials from their own dimension that wouldn't disintegrate in ours? Did they use a proxy species to build it for them?

I am not sure what to grade this ep -- I will mull it over a little longer before I vote.
 
A great show from start to finish. This was an interesting turn in the Xindi arc, and took both Archer and Degra in new directions, while giving Trip some good scenes as well. Plus, the use of the Arborreal and the Reptilians on different sides of the split was great to see.
 
snerk is all i have to say about the death star stuff.
lucas stole that concept from the golden age of sf so i dont see why make that comparision.
:p

as for hawkins considering he survived just fine through impulse and we had gotten to known him through that episode no i dont see how you could consider him normal red shirt fodder.
that they acutally killed off two characters that the audience recognized and in degra had built up to be a far more complex then we first thought was pretty gutsy.

i remember when degra died it was one of the best kept secrets.
it only started to leak out just before the episode aired and even then a lot of the viewers were caught by suprise.

and the chilling way it was done with the threat to his family.

we also are given some really important background about the xindi guardian relationship along with glimpses into the xindi themselve.

yeah i wish overall with the arc we did get more backgrond on the sphere builders.
and about the spheres.
though there are possibilities.
one they tricked another species like the xindi much further back in time.
perhaps they turned to the xindi because they were betryaed by that other species.
that some of the spheres were becoming non fuctional may be an indication another speicies constructed them.

though we do know the sphere builders are able to send objects from their space to the expanse (the canary in the sphere builder shiP .. which could back up the theory the sphere builders did indeed build the spheres and then transported them considering the sphere and the ship were made of the same material) and also through time.
 
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