S.S. Enterprise Google Sketchup

[Patrickivan]

Here is my precursor to TOS Enterprise. Well, not mine, but my interpretation of one of the concept proposals for the original Enterprise. I think this works out well as an earlier ship. It’s smaller, at about 100 metres long. The saucer rim in 3 metres thick and 48 metres across. The secondary hull is just over 48 metres and the nacelles are 64.5 metres long and 7.5 metres across… It’s a neat little ship done up in 3D. I think I’ll work on some internal details like the bridge and shuttle deck. The bridge may be similar to JJ”s Kelvin, a bridge I’ve grown to like as an earlier design. Better the ST Enterprise’s NX Class…

The neck is a little ungainly looking, but it must be strong enough- I mean hell, they have the technology to travel at warp speed, harness matter-antimatter, not get squished to a paste, et c...

I need to figure out where to put the impulse engines- any ideas?

 

[Kaiser]

This would make a good plastic toy

 

[judexavier]

Here is my precursor to TOS Enterprise. Well, not mine, but my interpretation of one of the concept proposals for the original Enterprise. I think this works out well as an earlier ship. It’s smaller, at about 100 metres long. The saucer rim in 3 metres thick and 48 metres across. The secondary hull is just over 48 metres and the nacelles are 64.5 metres long and 7.5 metres across… It’s a neat little ship done up in 3D. I think I’ll work on some internal details like the bridge and shuttle deck. The bridge may be similar to JJ”s Kelvin, a bridge I’ve grown to like as an earlier design. Better the ST Enterprise’s NX Class…

The neck is a little ungainly looking, but it must be strong enough- I mean hell, they have the technology to travel at warp speed, harness matter-antimatter, not get squished to a paste, et c...

I need to figure out where to put the impulse engines- any ideas?

Wow...love that. I've always been a fan of the early Jefferies "prototypes"...I've currently been messing around with a similar concept...mine ended up at 465' (141.7 meters) in length...
Anyway, very cool, waiting for more on this.

(I just stuck the impulse's in the standard place...perhaps that rear projection from the dorsal might be a good place?)

 

[Patrickivan]

This would make a good plastic toy

A toy?! You mean collector's item! Jeeeese- you start calling them toys, and you don't help my case I make to my wife and family when I buy this stuff...

Wow...love that. I've always been a fan of the early Jefferies "prototypes"...I've currently been messing around with a similar concept...mine ended up at 465' (141.7 meters) in length...
Anyway, very cool, waiting for more on this.

(I just stuck the impulse's in the standard place...perhaps that rear projection from the dorsal might be a good place?)

Thanks! I started with the hull rim thickness and the scale just went on from there. What did you start with to get 141 metres? That's a wee larger then mine, but not a huge difference.

As for the impulse, that was my first thought, but theres not a lot of room in there when you get down and look at it. I'm envisioning not much activities in that section other then some of the engineering, ship storage, and shuttle bay (well, I guess that's a bit), but the ship neck supports a very small (maybe 3 person) lift, so there's not a lot of personnel movement going on during shift activity.

I don't know...

Anyway-----------------------------------------------
I’ve painted the ship with a textured anodized metal colour. I like the colour itself, but the mottled texture may be a little too busy. I don’t want it to look like little tiny panels all over this little ship. I did however like the black deflector housing. It reminds me of the nose of some earlier military aircraft.

The bridge hovering above the sauce will be sunk down into the hull- but in the mean time, that’s where I’m working on it, so that’s where it will stay. The outside shape of the bridge was simply for my reference- I needed some contours similar to those of the saucer. When I sink it (and I have already), I want some of the bridge to go up into the "bulb". Granted, at about 8 metres across, not much will go into it. It's a tight little bridge that will have lots of activity.

You'll note a lot of scribed lines on the hull. I'm trying to get more detail into the surface as opposed to painting it on. There's only so much I can reasonably do with SU. As far as I know anyway.

 

[Patrickivan]

A wee bit more detail. The ribbing on the engineering section may have something to do with fuel storage. And the undersection may be an access door.

 

[Saul]

Wow, really nice. Impulse engines? How about that little thing jutting out of the neck at the bottom?

 

[Kaiser]

really cool updates on this

 

[Wingsley]

Wow! It's great to see someone finally developing this design!

Back in November of '09, I asked over in the "Trek Tech" forum if anyone had developed a starship from Jefferies' early sketches.

I also posted some musings in another "Tech" thread regarding starship sizes. I proposed that the Constitution-class of cruiser starships was itself an evolution of earlier Federation starship classes; like links in an evolutionary design chain. I proposed similar, familial starship class names for these earlier iterations: the first generation being the Declaration class (maybe looking like your Google S.S. Enterprise 3Ds with a few design cues from the JJverse Kelvin thrown in.

The next generation (early 23rd century) would be the next "missing link" between the Declaration and the Constitution. I called it the Magna Carta-class starships. I was inspired to think of this evolutionary chain by Warped 9's art thread from July of '09.

 

[judexavier]

This would make a good plastic toy

A toy?! You mean collector's item! Jeeeese- you start calling them toys, and you don't help my case I make to my wife and family when I buy this stuff...

Wow...love that. I've always been a fan of the early Jefferies "prototypes"...I've currently been messing around with a similar concept...mine ended up at 465' (141.7 meters) in length...
Anyway, very cool, waiting for more on this.

(I just stuck the impulse's in the standard place...perhaps that rear projection from the dorsal might be a good place?)

Thanks! I started with the hull rim thickness and the scale just went on from there. What did you start with to get 141 metres? That's a wee larger then mine, but not a huge difference.

As for the impulse, that was my first thought, but theres not a lot of room in there when you get down and look at it. I'm envisioning not much activities in that section other then some of the engineering, ship storage, and shuttle bay (well, I guess that's a bit), but the ship neck supports a very small (maybe 3 person) lift, so there's not a lot of personnel movement going on during shift activity.

I don't know...

Anyway-----------------------------------------------
I’ve painted the ship with a textured anodized metal colour. I like the colour itself, but the mottled texture may be a little too busy. I don’t want it to look like little tiny panels all over this little ship. I did however like the black deflector housing. It reminds me of the nose of some earlier military aircraft.

The bridge hovering above the sauce will be sunk down into the hull- but in the mean time, that’s where I’m working on it, so that’s where it will stay. The outside shape of the bridge was simply for my reference- I needed some contours similar to those of the saucer. When I sink it (and I have already), I want some of the bridge to go up into the "bulb". Granted, at about 8 metres across, not much will go into it. It's a tight little bridge that will have lots of activity.

You'll note a lot of scribed lines on the hull. I'm trying to get more detail into the surface as opposed to painting it on. There's only so much I can reasonably do with SU. As far as I know anyway.

Sorry at my vaugeness...bad habit I have. mine started from that general layout, but then my main goal/experiment became an "older, smaller " ship, but evolved (devolved?) into my typical non-canon curvy weirdness
still small, though...

On the color, have you considered, instead of the so typical "aztec" stuff, perhaps something like 1950's metal aricraft finishes, with larger hull sections and shapes of various differing, polished "metallic" values? The black nose is great, just what it reminded me of, and one reason I've always liked these early sketch designs...also like your idea of having meaningful panel lines in the hull...again, reminds me of aircraft. Different than either randon silly greebles, or rather abstract "aztec" patterns...

Also, interested to see your thoughts on deck plans/internal layout as it develops.

Anyway, great work.

 

[Patrickivan]

Wow, really nice. Impulse engines? How about that little thing jutting out of the neck at the bottom?

For a lack of a better idea of where to place them- I've done just that. Those four little "windows" are not windows, but maybe vents or impulse deflection ports for lateral movement.

really cool updates on this

Thanks!

Wow! It's great to see someone finally developing this design!

Back in November of '09, I asked over in the "Trek Tech" forum if anyone had developed a starship from Jefferies' early sketches.

I also posted some musings in another "Tech" thread regarding starship sizes. I proposed that the Constitution-class of cruiser starships was itself an evolution of earlier Federation starship classes; like links in an evolutionary design chain. I proposed similar, familial starship class names for these earlier iterations: the first generation being the Declaration class (maybe looking like your Google S.S. Enterprise 3Ds with a few design cues from the JJverse Kelvin thrown in.

The next generation (early 23rd century) would be the next "missing link" between the Declaration and the Constitution. I called it the Magna Carta-class starships. I was inspired to think of this evolutionary chain by Warped 9's art thread from July of '09.

Hey! I know the show was American, but how about some Canadian content there?

This would make a good plastic toy

A toy?! You mean collector's item! Jeeeese- you start calling them toys, and you don't help my case I make to my wife and family when I buy this stuff...

Wow...love that. I've always been a fan of the early Jefferies "prototypes"...I've currently been messing around with a similar concept...mine ended up at 465' (141.7 meters) in length...
Anyway, very cool, waiting for more on this.

(I just stuck the impulse's in the standard place...perhaps that rear projection from the dorsal might be a good place?)

Thanks! I started with the hull rim thickness and the scale just went on from there. What did you start with to get 141 metres? That's a wee larger then mine, but not a huge difference.

As for the impulse, that was my first thought, but theres not a lot of room in there when you get down and look at it. I'm envisioning not much activities in that section other then some of the engineering, ship storage, and shuttle bay (well, I guess that's a bit), but the ship neck supports a very small (maybe 3 person) lift, so there's not a lot of personnel movement going on during shift activity.

I don't know...

Anyway-----------------------------------------------
I’ve painted the ship with a textured anodized metal colour. I like the colour itself, but the mottled texture may be a little too busy. I don’t want it to look like little tiny panels all over this little ship. I did however like the black deflector housing. It reminds me of the nose of some earlier military aircraft.

The bridge hovering above the sauce will be sunk down into the hull- but in the mean time, that’s where I’m working on it, so that’s where it will stay. The outside shape of the bridge was simply for my reference- I needed some contours similar to those of the saucer. When I sink it (and I have already), I want some of the bridge to go up into the "bulb". Granted, at about 8 metres across, not much will go into it. It's a tight little bridge that will have lots of activity.

You'll note a lot of scribed lines on the hull. I'm trying to get more detail into the surface as opposed to painting it on. There's only so much I can reasonably do with SU. As far as I know anyway.

Sorry at my vaugeness...bad habit I have. mine started from that general layout, but then my main goal/experiment became an "older, smaller " ship, but evolved (devolved?) into my typical non-canon curvy weirdness
still small, though...

On the color, have you considered, instead of the so typical "aztec" stuff, perhaps something like 1950's metal aricraft finishes, with larger hull sections and shapes of various differing, polished "metallic" values? The black nose is great, just what it reminded me of, and one reason I've always liked these early sketch designs...also like your idea of having meaningful panel lines in the hull...again, reminds me of aircraft. Different than either randon silly greebles, or rather abstract "aztec" patterns...

Also, interested to see your thoughts on deck plans/internal layout as it develops.

Anyway, great work.

Thanks. That patterned look on the saucer is just a trick caused by the geometry of the model I think (terminology check!). I used a mottled metal paint- though I'm not entirely happy with it. I do NOT want that aztec pattern. As neat as it looked, it looked like tiny little panels all over the ship, and I don't get why they would assemble such a massive ship out of such tiny bits... Made no sense to me.

I'm also trying to stay as true to the concept drawing as possible- I should post it. So as far as orginality goes, my interpretation is coming from the details I'm trying to place on the ship when you zoom in... And windows...

The internal arrangement is tough. It's a small ship and everything really is tight in it. In this ship, I really believe crew are bunked together in rooms. As opposed to TOS Enterprise where I did an overhead one deck image and placed a third of the crew in one room each on one deck, and one third in rec areas on the same deck, with plenty of space to spare... This ship is just too freakin' small.

I want an advanced look (it is still the future), but I want it to look like Star Trek still. Not like Enterprise- that kind of didn't do it for me. But I can't get into it right now. I have to get ready for work... yippee

 

[Saquist]

Interesting.

 

[Mytran]

This is great work - something I had planned to do myself at one point, but I couldn't hope to challenge this!
I love the early "proto" designs of the Enterprise, and exploring just how small the saucer/dosal/cigar style of starship design could be taken.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Patrickivan]

After a long week of busting my ass for barely more then minimum wage, I'm back to this ship... But I'm stuck. I want to put some windows on, though the MJ drawing is lacking in details. Now the saucer rim is a tough one. I can put some windows right on the rim, or I can place them on the slopping bottom edge of the saucer. Because of the one deck height, both are valid locations.

I also need to get rid of that mottled paint. The more I look at it, the more I hate it. I may go for a solid paint colour. But greys will be the prominant colours.

I need to place some RCSs and nav lights on, so I'll be doing that now.

Any input on this ships features are welcome. After all, MJ's drawing is lacking somewhat, and I want to make this ship a part of my Star Trek universe.

I've also decided to call it a Confederation Class Spaceship. Confederation, because I'm Canadian. Spaceship, because in TOS pilot, they referred to the ships as spaceships I think. I'm planning on naming this one the U.S.S. Atlantic.

And here's a pic of the paint change. I worked mostly on the bridge tonight and I haven't loaded the images to wordpress yet for some reason...

I am astonished at how with the right lighting and POV, how big this ship looks! To me anyway.

 

[judexavier]

Same here, (long week, low pay, lost my cell phone to boot...long work-related story) atleast we're employed...

This is such a cool project. I'll echo MYTRAN's comments, about older proto designs, and how small they could be scaled. Your new texture/paint is nice, very clean. I also like the various red markings.
As far as windows, etc..I always have to rough out a deck plan, and then position windows where they seem most "logical".
What if the main sensor dome were semi-transparent, showing some underlying "sensor/antenna assembly"? Perhaps some glowing bits that, asthetically, would sort of relate to the look of the nacelle domes? I don't know, I really like that black dome though.

Anyway, looking forward to more of this little ship.

*Didn't MJ originally plan for no external details/windows/etc? Actually argued for that look? (I think I read that somewhere...)

 

[Patrickivan]

Same here, (long week, low pay, lost my cell phone to boot...long work-related story) atleast we're employed...

This is such a cool project. I'll echo MYTRAN's comments, about older proto designs, and how small they could be scaled. Your new texture/paint is nice, very clean. I also like the various red markings.
As far as windows, etc..I always have to rough out a deck plan, and then position windows where they seem most "logical".
What if the main sensor dome were semi-transparent, showing some underlying "sensor/antenna assembly"? Perhaps some glowing bits that, asthetically, would sort of relate to the look of the nacelle domes? I don't know, I really like that black dome though.

Anyway, looking forward to more of this little ship.

*Didn't MJ originally plan for no external details/windows/etc? Actually argued for that look? (I think I read that somewhere...)

I liked your idea for the sensor dome, so I did just that. But as for the details, I do want to keep them to a minimum, including windows that are shielded with covers like in TOS. I really like that idea.

Here are her external dimensions and some bridge shots. The sensor is made up of a concaved dish, with a concaved rim (rusty coloured part).

I know- the dimensions are hard to make out. That's Wordpress for you. Though if you go to my wordpress, you can select the picture and it will enlarge.

 

[Captain]

Hey this is great!!

Really enjoying this one sir! As for impulse engines, I believe if you look at the drawings, one of them shows a ring of lights in the ring around the usual location for the shuttle bay doors. I dont know for sure, but I think those were meant as manouvering rockets..precursors to the Impulse drive. There are drawings of the bridge designed for that ship as well. Pato Guzman did one which shows the bridge as a domed room, with a couple of swiveling chairs in the center of the room on a raised dias....these are in the art of Trek book. Jeffries also did some that were pretty funky:

Of course, none of this is "official", leaving it all open to interpretation.

Whatever you ultimately use, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished work!

 

[judexavier]

Wow...this is really coming along! So that bridge will be sunk down inside that smooth outer dome? Very nice look.
I really like that small bridge layout. You have any other sketches/renders of it?
When I said "sensor dome", I meant the black main deflector dome...sorry. As long as I've been a "trekkie", you'd think I
could get my terms straight! Duh!?!...
Anyway, very nice work and "imagineering".

 

[judexavier]

Just checked your wordpress site, bigger pics...wow, that bridge is really nice...reminds me of a concept Ptrobe had of the pilot bridge, the all-black wrap-around display area...nice.

Sorry to keep interrupting your thread. I'll shut up for now.

 

[Patrickivan]

Just checked your wordpress site, bigger pics...wow, that bridge is really nice...reminds me of a concept Ptrobe had of the pilot bridge, the all-black wrap-around display area...nice.

Sorry to keep interrupting your thread. I'll shut up for now.

Heh- No worries. I like the attention.

When you mentioned the Art of Star Trek book, I almost kicked myself in the ass. I ran upstairs and cracked it open for the first time this year, and I'm planning to change that bidge of mine to be more like the one in the picture.

I think that I'll keep the general layout (instead of redoing the whole thing), but I'm going to change the raised section, add the two chairs and console...

Though maybe I'll whip up a quick pic of the drawing from the book just to see what it looks like and get some feed back.

As for the impulse engines. I think I didn't even consider putting them back by the shuttle doors because that's where the shuttle doors where going. But maybe, on the top part of the aft end of the secondary section... I can place the shuttle deck below the hull maybe- but it's really an impractical use of space by doing so... Hmmm...

Again- input is welcome. I want to make this pre TOS ship feel like it belongs in the Trekverse. I've also decided to take the other concepts and mock them up to (though as I look at them more, I really see where JJ's designers got inspiration for a lot of their ships)...

 

[Patrickivan]

Okay then... I’ve revamped the bridge based on Pato Guzman’s early Enterprise bridge concept as shown in The Art of Star Trek. It’s a bit of a departure from TOS’s bridge, most notably the large wide viewer that is more indicative of TMP’s and beyond ships. I couldn’t help but notice after I built the raised command section, how much it looks like TMP’s stepped section, and Voyager’s (on a smaller scale of course)…

I’m on the wall about the colour for the console section. Do I make it black, or grey with black panels? I don’t know! Ahhhh!

I still have to make the rear entrance too… Like the prior bridge, it will open up straight into the main level on the saucer.

You'll note that this is a smaller bridge then the concept, and that the consoles are meant to be accessed from a sitting position. Though from a standing position, everything is easily readable. From the command section in the centre, everything is every easily seen.