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Ryan Coogler to reboot "The X-Files"

Fringe Division, and its predecessors the X Designation, have been a drain on the federal government for far too long!!! - Fringe S2 premiere.
Warehouse 13 was fun. A syndicated show from the mid-80s with a similar theme to W13 was 'Friday The 13th'. The stars had to recover possessed objects. The Nimoy stuff about Bigfoot and The Bermuda Trangle I watched just as avidly.

What if NuMulder&Scully started disproving conspiracy theories, like a fringe Penn & Teller* CT Bullpodo?

*yes, I know he's not the first Teller
 
The thing that still worries me about this is that the X-Files all those other shows existed in a time when conspiracy theories overall were something of a, ahem, fringe area. People had their personal favourites; JFK, Area 51 etc, but they didn't believe everything they saw.

Now we live in an era of fake news. deepfakes and AI and almost daily conspiracies about everything and it seems like a show that leans into that might almost be termed irresponsible?

I'm probably overthinking it and putting far too much pressure on what should be a fun genre show, it just feels like the wrong time for that kind of show.

Unless Coogler is planning something radically different (as I probably said upthread the idea of an X-Files where 75% of the time they prove there is nothing supernatural going on has merit, and would hopefully make the 25% of episodes where there really is a fluke worm monster/Alien hybrid/vampire all the more shocking)
 
I think that's a legitimate concern.

Perhaps the best solution is for the show swing in the opposite direction, lean heavily on the supernatural, and forget about the government conspiracy plot lines entirely.

I seem to recall the general consensus of the brief revival was that the best episodes were the standalone supernatural episodes and most people were So Very Tired of the conspiracy arc (and that was before getting to the ickiness of the Scully reveal).

I hope that's a lesson that Coogler learned from how people reacted to those episodes.
 
I think that's a legitimate concern.

Perhaps the best solution is for the show swing in the opposite direction, lean heavily on the supernatural, and forget about the government conspiracy plot lines entirely.

I seem to recall the general consensus of the brief revival was that the best episodes were the standalone supernatural episodes and most people were So Very Tired of the conspiracy arc (and that was before getting to the ickiness of the Scully reveal).

I hope that's a lesson that Coogler learned from how people reacted to those episodes.
I remember when they did the revival, the people who worked on it said it was really difficult now that conspiracies were all the rage.

I mean, when there are so many flat-earthers, moon-conspiracy theorists, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists, and a significant portion of the electorate believes there are satanic orgies with pedophiles in pizzeria basements, what else can you say?

Today, Mulder would probably be a senator or even president. I mean, a good part of Trump's campaign was based on "exposing" this or that conspiracy. Obviously, once he was elected, he didn't do that, but he gave them credibility.
 
I think that's a legitimate concern.

Perhaps the best solution is for the show swing in the opposite direction, lean heavily on the supernatural, and forget about the government conspiracy plot lines entirely.

I seem to recall the general consensus of the brief revival was that the best episodes were the standalone supernatural episodes and most people were So Very Tired of the conspiracy arc (and that was before getting to the ickiness of the Scully reveal).

I hope that's a lesson that Coogler learned from how people reacted to those episodes.

That probably is the best bet, though oddly I always thought of myself as a monster of the week kind of guy but last time I watched the show through* I found the conspiracy stuff far more interesting than I had first or even second time around.

*which I still haven't completed. I got a third of the way through season 9 and just couldn't go on (I think back in the day I similarly skipped out once Mulder was gone) I should force myself to go on knowing the second film and the revival seasons are better but it's such a slog!

I remember when they did the revival, the people who worked on it said it was really difficult now that conspiracies were all the rage.

I mean, when there are so many flat-earthers, moon-conspiracy theorists, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists, and a significant portion of the electorate believes there are satanic orgies with pedophiles in pizzeria basements, what else can you say?

Today, Mulder would probably be a senator or even president. I mean, a good part of Trump's campaign was based on "exposing" this or that conspiracy. Obviously, once he was elected, he didn't do that, but he gave them credibility.

One can only imagine how Mulder and/or the Lone Gunmen would have reacted during Covid :eek:
 
One can only imagine how Mulder and/or the Lone Gunmen would have reacted during Covid :eek:
I'm thinking Mulder today: "(conspiratorial tone to someone) You know, there's a conspiracy the government doesn't want you to know about and..."

"WHAT??! I want to know everything! Wait, let's get the podcast ready! And the IG reels! And the TikToks! Hold on, I'll make an announcement on 4Chan! Tens of thousands of people will believe you by tonight! Have you thought about a future in politics?"
 
I asked chatGPT again what the alien conquest plan was in the series. I have to say that this is the most needlessly complex plan in the history of alien invasions, whether in movies, TV shows, literature, or video games.

Your memory is correct: the X-Files alien mythology is famously messy, especially once the revival seasons start retconning parts of it.

Verified canon recap (what the alien plan was, in the main mythology)
1) The core threat: the Colonists and the black oil (Purity)
In the mythology, the main alien invaders (“Colonists”) are tied to Purity, usually called the black oil. It is treated as an alien lifeform/virus that can enter human bodies, control them, and later is also shown to be able to use humans as incubators for gestating alien beings. It’s also described as the Colonists’ “life force.” (Wikipedia)

2) The human conspiracy: the Syndicate’s deal with the aliens
A secret group of powerful humans (the Syndicate, including the Smoking Man and others) made a deal with the Colonists: cooperate with colonization in exchange for a chance to survive and be spared (through hybridization / privileged status). The show reveals this as a long-term conspiracy, and One Son explicitly frames the Syndicate as aiding colonization. (Wikipedia)

3) Why the abductions / experiments happened: hybrids
A huge part of the conspiracy was trying to create alien-human hybrids.
This serves multiple functions in the mythology:

  • a way for the Syndicate to survive colonization,
  • a way to produce beings compatible with the alien agenda,
  • and eventually a “proof” / trigger point that colonization is ready to proceed.
Cassandra Spender becomes crucial because she is identified as the first successful alien-human hybrid, and characters state that if the Colonists learn this, it can trigger the next phase of colonization. (Wikipedia)

4) The delivery mechanism for mass infection: bees + transgenic corn
The mythology eventually explains a horrifying colonization mechanism:

  • Africanized bees would carry the black oil,
  • through transgenic corn engineered for the plan,
  • and this would be used to infect humans on a mass scale during colonization.
This is why the bees/corn imagery in the movie and mythology is so important. The same mythology also says the Syndicate used their cooperation to gain access to black oil for their own research. (Wikipedia)

5) The Syndicate’s secret double-cross: Purity Control (vaccine project)
Even while collaborating, the Syndicate was not fully loyal to the Colonists. They secretly worked on a vaccine against the black oil, called “Purity Control.” The project largely failed, but a weaker vaccine from Russian efforts becomes part of the story and is used in the 1998 film arc (including Scully’s rescue in Antarctica). (Wikipedia)

6) The “other aliens”: faceless rebels
One of the reasons the myth arc gets confusing is that “the aliens” are not one unified side.

There is a rebel faction (the faceless rebels) who oppose colonization. They are visually distinct because they have their facial openings sealed to avoid black oil infection. They can be brutal, but their goal is to stop the Colonists’ expansion. They specifically try to prevent the successful hybrid (Cassandra) from being used to advance colonization. (Wikipedia)

7) What happens to the Syndicate: it gets wiped out
In “Two Fathers / One Son” (Season 6), the Syndicate reaches the climax of its plan (handing Cassandra over, effectively moving toward colonization), but the faceless rebels attack and destroy the Syndicate (except a few survivors like the Smoking Man and Fowley). This is a major turning point. (Wikipedia)

Important nuance: this does not end the colonization threat. It mainly destroys the human management layer of the conspiracy. The invasion timetable is still hanging over the story. A later summary notes the date remains December 22, 2012. (Wikipedia)

8) Phase 2 after the Syndicate: Super Soldiers
After the Syndicate is mostly gone, the mythology pivots to Super Soldiers (Seasons 8–9): alien-created/rebuilt infiltrators who can replace people in positions of power and quietly keep the colonization program on track. They are extremely hard to kill and are associated with metallic biochemistry / iron; magnetite is a key weakness. (Wikipedia)

This is why the late mythology feels different from the earlier bees/black-oil/Syndicate period: the show moves from conspiracy-board intrigue to infiltration-paranoia with near-indestructible replacement humans. (Wikipedia)

9) The original-series “ending” (2002): the invasion date is named, but not shown
In “The Truth” (the original series finale), the Smoking Man tells Mulder that colonization is coming on December 22, 2012. The finale does not show the colonization itself happening; it ends more as a warning / setup than a true payoff. (Wikipedia)

So if you remembered “a huge plan but no clean payoff,” that memory is accurate.


Verified canon recap (how it goes in the revival and “how it ends”)
10) Revival retcon shift (Season 10): maybe the “alien invasion” narrative is also a smokescreen
In “My Struggle” (2016), Tad O’Malley claims the idea of an alien invasion is a smokescreen for human government crimes using alien technology. This doesn’t simply erase the old mythology, but it starts a major reinterpretation/retcon of it. (Wikipedia)

11) “My Struggle II”: the Spartan Virus apocalypse scenario
Then “My Struggle II” presents an apocalyptic scenario in which:

  • alien DNA has supposedly been inserted into the population,
  • the Spartan Virus activates,
  • it strips people’s immune systems,
  • and a mass die-off begins,
  • while some “chosen” people (or those with specific alien-DNA modifications) are protected.
Reyes also says the Smoking Man offered survival spots to selected people in exchange for helping his “colonization effort.” (Wikipedia)

12) “My Struggle III”: that apocalypse is reframed as Scully’s vision/premonition
The next mythology episode immediately complicates things further: “My Struggle III” reveals the apparent invasion/apocalypse from the previous episode was a vision of an apocalyptic future, not something that had fully happened already. It keeps the Spartan virus threat alive, but changes the status of what viewers just saw. (Wikipedia)

This is one of the biggest reasons fans experience the mythology as “what is actually canon right now?”

13) “My Struggle IV” (2018): the final aired mythology endpoint
The last aired episode of the series, “My Struggle IV” (2018), is the closest thing to a final answer — but it is not a clean resolution of the alien colonization storyline.

What it does resolve (sort of):

  • confrontation with the Cigarette Smoking Man,
  • William being central to the endgame,
  • Mulder/Scully emotional arc,
  • and a final twist that William survives.
Wikipedia’s plot summary for the episode describes the Smoking Man being shot and falling into the water, William surviving, and Scully revealing she is pregnant. (Wikipedia)

What it does not clearly resolve:

  • a definitive, on-screen conclusion to the original Colonists’ 2012 colonization plan, in a way that cleanly harmonizes all previous mythology.
So the honest answer to “how did it end?” is:

It ended with a character-centric finale and major mythology retcons, not with a fully coherent final explanation of the colonization plan. (Wikipedia)

Interpretation (not a direct canon statement): why it feels so confusing
Certainty: high (as an interpretation of the structure, not as “lore fact”).

It feels confusing because the show stacked multiple different mythology engines over time:

  1. S1–S6 core conspiracy: Syndicate + black oil + hybrids + bees/corn + colonists
  2. Rebel interruption: faceless rebels blow up the human conspiracy
  3. Late-series pivot: Super Soldiers and infiltration
  4. Revival retcon layer: “alien invasion” may be partly a smokescreen for human elites using alien tech + Spartan virus depopulation
  5. Vision/premonition resets and controversial parentage retcons in “My Struggle III/IV” (Wikipedia)
That combination makes the mythology feel less like one clean master plan and more like several overlapping plans rewritten across eras.


Ultra-short “memory fix” version (the one you can keep in your head)
  • Aliens (Colonists) plan to recolonize Earth
  • Black oil (Purity) is the key infection/lifeform
  • Syndicate collaborates to survive, while secretly making a vaccine
  • Hybrids are central to the timetable (Cassandra is a major breakthrough)
  • Faceless rebels oppose colonization and destroy the Syndicate
  • Super Soldiers continue infiltration in later seasons
  • Finale (2002) names Dec 22, 2012 as colonization date but doesn’t show it
  • Revival (2016–2018) partially retcons/reframes everything into a Spartan Virus / elite survival plot and ends without a clean, definitive mythology resolution (Wikipedia)
If you want, I can also do a season-by-season mythology roadmap (episodes only, in watch order) focused just on: black oil / Syndicate / rebels / super soldiers / William / My Struggle.
 
The thing that still worries me about this is that the X-Files all those other shows existed in a time when conspiracy theories overall were something of a, ahem, fringe area. People had their personal favourites; JFK, Area 51 etc, but they didn't believe everything they saw.

Now we live in an era of fake news. deepfakes and AI and almost daily conspiracies about everything and it seems like a show that leans into that might almost be termed irresponsible?
Honestly, even though I loved The X-Files, its popularity was arguably the (no doubt accidental) vector by which a lot of this stuff became normalized, rather than just being seen as fringe kookiness. At its best it was a superior series, but its unintended effects damaged the culture.
 
I think that's a legitimate concern.

Perhaps the best solution is for the show swing in the opposite direction, lean heavily on the supernatural, and forget about the government conspiracy plot lines entirely.

I seem to recall the general consensus of the brief revival was that the best episodes were the standalone supernatural episodes and most people were So Very Tired of the conspiracy arc (and that was before getting to the ickiness of the Scully reveal).

I hope that's a lesson that Coogler learned from how people reacted to those episodes.

I enjoyed Fluke Boy and the one with Peter "erotic asphyxiation is a terrible way to die, Mulder" Boyle way more than the CT.
 
When I read it's about two FBI agents "assigned to a long-shuttered division," i got the sense it's a continuation.
Yeah, that does sound like a continuation.
I think that's a legitimate concern.

Perhaps the best solution is for the show swing in the opposite direction, lean heavily on the supernatural, and forget about the government conspiracy plot lines entirely.

I seem to recall the general consensus of the brief revival was that the best episodes were the standalone supernatural episodes and most people were So Very Tired of the conspiracy arc (and that was before getting to the ickiness of the Scully reveal).

I hope that's a lesson that Coogler learned from how people reacted to those episodes.
Yeah, I it might be a good idea to just dump the whole colonization arc, and start a whole new storyline. The whole thing just got way too complicated and bringing it back and adding more to it, would just make it worse. Not sure what they should focus a new arc on, but I'd go with something totally different from aliens.
 
When I read it's about two FBI agents "assigned to a long-shuttered division," i got the sense it's a continuation.

It use to be long-shuttered but then Mulder and Scully re-opened them not that long ago in the first reboot. Are they going to ignore those episodes I wonder. I hope they don't do the believe and skeptic thing again. I don't think it would work. Make it more like Big City Lady and Small Town Guy are the two things that make them different. Lots of stuff from the old X-Files in terms of themes just doesn't work in a modern setting.
 
Lots of shows like this still do the skeptic and the believer pair and it still works fine. It's kind of a core part of the concept, and I really think moving away from it would be a big mistake.
 
Lots of shows like this still do the skeptic and the believer pair and it still works fine. It's kind of a core part of the concept, and I really think moving away from it would be a big mistake.

You know the irony is in the first X-Files they wanted Scully to debunk Mulder's X-Files. Makes more sense now that they want the X-Files open as a distraction from what the President is doing. Could be the government only wants the X-Files opened for Public relation reasons but when the new teams starts to really try and solve the cases they become the enemy.

Maybe she s a true believer. He is put down their as punishment and is afraid at first to rock the boat because he is career is already on shaky status. But maybe he grew up as a nerd and is really into this stuff so he lets her pull him into it. Meanwhile she believes in the stuff but doesn't care anymore because of all the other stuff happening in the country. But these cases sparks her dormant interest as well and she finds herself doing something productive in her job again for the first time in awhile.
 
You know the irony is in the first X-Files they wanted Scully to debunk Mulder's X-Files. Makes more sense now that they want the X-Files open as a distraction from what the President is doing. Could be the government only wants the X-Files opened for Public relation reasons but when the new teams starts to really try and solve the cases they become the enemy.

Maybe she s a true believer. He is put down their as punishment and is afraid at first to rock the boat because he is career is already on shaky status. But maybe he grew up as a nerd and is really into this stuff so he lets her pull him into it. Meanwhile she believes in the stuff but doesn't care anymore because of all the other stuff happening in the country. But these cases sparks her dormant interest as well and she finds herself doing something productive in her job again for the first time in awhile.

I really don't like that, having her ever having been a true believer would completely destroy the whole dynamic, which is kind of one of the most important elements of the show. The whole idea is that you've got the hardcore true believer who instantly goes to the supernatural explanation instantly for everything, and hardcore scientist who's convinced that there's a scientific explanation for everything who knows nothing about any of the supernatural, and make her an ex-true believer would give her that extra bit of knowledge that would totally change the dynamic.
 
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