Ronald D Moore

[RobertScorpio]

His tenure on Voyager was very short. I happened to like what little he did. I thought Dragons Tooth was a great episode as was the one on the Klingon Barge of Death. But, alas, he was gone as fast as you could say Energize..

What is the final judgment of Voyager fans on RDM's short tenure with Voyager...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[startrekwatcher]

I thought Dragons Tooth was a great episode as was the one on the Klingon Barge of Death.

I don't think Moore had anything to do with Dragon's Teeth. I think he was only involved in Equinox II, Survival Instincts and Barge of the Dead. Those were three decent, if not outstanding, episodes. It is hard to say what VOY might have been like with more of his influence.

I read that famous interview he gave eight years ago detailing in his opinion what was wrong with VOY and some of it I thought was silly or baseless and some of it I agreed with.

I think we know what Moore's vision of Voyager would have been if he had his way and it is called nBSG. I certainly wouldn't have wanted that. That show is purely joyless.

 

[JNG]

I think there are fundamental creative differences between what RDM seems to want out of TV shows and the concept of Star Trek: Voyager (action-oriented, highly-episodic television--at least that is what it was by the time he came aboard).

 

[Hermiod]

The issue of nothing ever really changing on Voyager seemed to be Moore's biggest problem.

It should have been more like Battlestar Galactica. They should have been struggling for fuel and food. The ship should get damaged and not look pristine again the next week. They shouldn't have an inexhaustible supply of shuttles.

Voyager should have had as large a cast of secondary characters as Deep Space 9 did. Instead, they just added new crew members on a whim.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If it hadn't been for Voyager, Ron wouldn't have had anything to rebel against.

 

[kipron]

If it hadn't been for Voyager, Ron wouldn't have had anything to rebel against.

Exactly. It's good to know I'm not the only one to realise this.

If making Voyager more like nBSG were to mean making nBSG more like Voyager, it would not be a trade I'd want to make.

And fwiw, I find worth in both.

 

[Akiraprise]

I'm a huge BSG fan, and I would have liked to have seen Moore have more of an influence on VOY then he did. I don't think he would have been allowed to make VOY like nuBSG is, but a few arc based stories with repercussions felt throughout the rest of the series would have been ok with me.

 

[anais]

Sometimes I wonder why RDM joined Voyager in the first place. You'd think he and TPTB would have a little chat and figure out their differences beforehand.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Sometimes I wonder why RDM joined Voyager in the first place. You'd think he and TPTB would have a little chat and figure out their differences beforehand.

I think he got duped into joining and then they decided against going where he wanted to go. I mean, who needs character development when you got two big Borg juggs staring you in the face in your bed? ahem!!! Braga

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Garth Rockett]

Sometimes I wonder why RDM joined Voyager in the first place. You'd think he and TPTB would have a little chat and figure out their differences beforehand.

I believe he said that he joined Voyager with the understanding he would be one of the co-creators of the next Trek series.

 

[anais]

Sometimes I wonder why RDM joined Voyager in the first place. You'd think he and TPTB would have a little chat and figure out their differences beforehand.

I believe he said that he joined Voyager with the understanding he would be one of the co-creators of the next Trek series.

Something tells me Braga wasn't happy with that. Iirc he didn't treat Moore too well did he?

 

[kimc]

Something tells me Braga wasn't happy with that. Iirc he didn't treat Moore too well did he?

Well it would be hard to make room for Moore with the amount of space Braga's ego was taking up.

I have to wonder if things would have ended so badly for Voyager if Moore had remained on the show. At least we have the new BSG to enjoy now.

 

[TheMasterOfOrion]

I was a huge fan of reimagined Galactica & once recommended new BSG to pals but its later seasons were so bad I now believe the series is best described as over hyped bullshit. R D Moore has got great writing talent but he is not a good producer and some of his flames against the Trek cast/crew were not very professional

 

[anais]

Something tells me Braga wasn't happy with that. Iirc he didn't treat Moore too well did he?

Well it would be hard to make room for Moore with the amount of space Braga's ego was taking up.

I have to wonder if things would have ended so badly for Voyager if Moore had remained on the show. At least we have the new BSG to enjoy now.

Strange isn't it, Voyager had to suffer for BSG to come into play.

 

[Garth Rockett]

Sometimes I wonder why RDM joined Voyager in the first place. You'd think he and TPTB would have a little chat and figure out their differences beforehand.

I believe he said that he joined Voyager with the understanding he would be one of the co-creators of the next Trek series.

Something tells me Braga wasn't happy with that. Iirc he didn't treat Moore too well did he?

My understanding was the working relationship between the two on Voyager was not nearly as smooth as it had been when they were cowriters. Moore described the writing room as not being as open for discussion as the TNG and DS9 writing rooms had been, and that was the source of the problems.

I don't know how Braga would have felt about Moore co-creating the new Trek, but since I think it was supposed to be Berman, Braga and Moore I don't know that it would have bothered Braga overmuch. After all, the two had always worked well together and been friends prior to Voyager. (And they appear to have repaired their friendship since.)

 

[RobertScorpio]

I was a huge fan of reimagined Galactica & once recommended new BSG to pals but its later seasons were so bad I now believe the series is best described as over hyped bullshit. R D Moore has got great writing talent but he is not a good producer and some of his flames against the Trek cast/crew were not very professional

I actually agree with some of what you have said. But I actually think he is a good producer but his writing maybe, with nuBSG, overated. I think the show, the way it looks, and is produced, is pretty realistic. I served aboard Air Craft Carriers for most of my life, and the Galactica is with out a doubt the most realistic ship, in the way it is ran and looks, than any thing I have ever seen in SCIFI..

I do agree that this religious mumbo jumbo is as blunt, and as obvious as a SCOOBY DOO Mystery...

Having said that, I agree with the person earlier who said that TPTB would have controlled his 'overhype'. I think Voyager would never have gone as dark as nuBSG. But it certainly, I think, would have had 110% more depth.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[kimc]

Something tells me Braga wasn't happy with that. Iirc he didn't treat Moore too well did he?

Well it would be hard to make room for Moore with the amount of space Braga's ego was taking up.

I have to wonder if things would have ended so badly for Voyager if Moore had remained on the show. At least we have the new BSG to enjoy now.

Strange isn't it, Voyager had to suffer for BSG to come into play.

Strange and pretty sad.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Voyager didn't suffer. It was completely ignorant of it's potential. I wish I had been too.

 

[rocketscientist]

The issue of nothing ever really changing on Voyager seemed to be Moore's biggest problem.

It should have been more like Battlestar Galactica. They should have been struggling for fuel and food. The ship should get damaged and not look pristine again the next week. They shouldn't have an inexhaustible supply of shuttles.

Voyager should have had as large a cast of secondary characters as Deep Space 9 did. Instead, they just added new crew members on a whim.

Well said! I agree with you.

I've read Moore's comments wrt Voyager and I think he was right on the money. Berman and Braga should've listened to him.

Of course you couldn't have taken Voyager to the extreme of BSG but you could've at least taken it partway there. There was so much more dramatic potential in the Voyager concept that was just untapped imo. I really think that the show squandered a lot of its potential. In the end, it just looked to me like TNG v2.0.

 

[rocketscientist]

If it hadn't been for Voyager, Ron wouldn't have had anything to rebel against.

Well, there was GR TNG perfect people edict/box too.