ROMULUS (Trek XI spoilers)

[Herkimer Jitty]

....or are you?

 

[captcalhoun]

it appears from the memory beta page on the Romulan Senate that the attack she's blathering about it from the background fluff for the Star Trek Online game.

 

[Yug]

Re: ROMULUS

^ first off, try reading the gender sign please. secondly, i have realized my source was memory beta, which is not cannon, so i was perhaps misinformed. and lastly, i only wanted to know because it would influence the plot of my story. i could care less if you yourself read it, Yug. im sorry that the fact that i like to be accurate bothers you. and thank you those like Timo who were at least polite.

Sorry ma'am (or Miss, Mrs, hey lady!?!)... but you were rather evasive about where you came up with this Romulan future history stuff, struck me odd.

But, maybe dial down your concerns a bit, you seem tense. Write your story any way you want, if it's compelling enough, "canon" won't make a bit of difference... have fun, it's all good !

 

[Forbin]

Anybody wanna see my gender sign?

 

[nx1701g]

^ I think you should put that in your sig.

 

[Tallis Rhul]

it appears from the memory beta page on the Romulan Senate that the attack she's blathering about it from the background fluff for the Star Trek Online game.

The background fluff from Star Trek online has made an attempt to tie in with a variety of the novels that CBS endorsed in the form of the Voyager, DS9 and TNG relaunches, along with Star Trek XI, Star Trek: Nemesis and the Titan novel series.

It does not state that anything was destroyed on Romulus in 2404, unless whoever copied and pasted it onto Memory Beta decided to do some incorrect tampering.

The Romulan homeworld was destroyed in the prime universe, aka the one we have been watching on our TV screens and the one the novels are set in (for the most part) in 2387 Gregorian calendar. Subsequent events, currently as far as 2391, have been detailed in the Path to 2409 on the Star Trek Online official site as far as their specific timeline progresses.

The Hobus star going supernova to the max did not happen in an alternate reality. It is implied strongly (as time travel is vague) that the alternate reality in which Star Trek XI is set was created by Ambassador Spock and Nero travelling back in time through the resulting quantum singularity.

It's also worth noting here that every detail posted by Sci checks out and is completely accurate to canon, so if you're looking for advice on writing a novel set in 2411 and want it to be pertinent to the events that officially happened in the Trek universe, go with his advice!

 

[Bluesteel]

Re: ROMULUS

Aha! I can now reverify what i said. I skimmed through the history a little fast before, but the corrections im now making only make the supernova less unlikely.

The asassination of a bulk of the Romulan Senate (and here comes the correction) occured in 2406 on ch'Rihan after the fall of the republic.

how is this explained?

What the hell are you talking about? What are you reading? (And are you sure that they're using the Gregorian calender when they cite the year 2406?)

Anyway, understand that in Star Trek, only the films and TV shows are canonical. That doesn't mean that novels or books or games or comics "didn't happen" -- but it does mean that future films or TV shows don't have to stay consistent with the novels, et al, if they don't want to.

An intriguing possibility put forth in one of the books, I think by Keith Candido, is that the Romulans split into two Empires. One headed by Tal'Aura who formed an alliance with the Gorn, Breen, and the Tholians. The other headed by Don'atra and Cmdr Toreth which had a chance(just a chance mind you) of having good relations with the Federation.

More specifically, the novel Titan: Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels established that the post-Shinzon, post-Senate Romulan Star Empire had several different factions that were vying for power in Ki Baratan (the capital), with Tal'Aura, the Senator who set the thalaron weapon and murdered the Senate on Shinzon's behalf, setting herself up as Praetor, with Tomalak as her Proconsul. Tal'Aura only has the loyalty of about half of the Imperial Fleet, however -- the other half is answering to Donatra, the Imperial Fleet Commander who turned on Shinzon when she realized he was planning to commit genocide against Earth and helped the Enterprise-E defeat him.

The novel Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido established that between in-fighting between the two half of the Romulan fleet, conquered vassal worlds declaring independence, and civil strife between Romulans and Remans on Romulus and throughout the Empire, the Romulan Star Empire seems on the brink of civil war. In December of 2380, about a year after NEM, Donatra and has her fleet gain control of several major agricultural worlds and declare independence from the Romulan Star Empire, forming the Imperial Romulan State and declaring herself its Empress. Empress Donatra's territory encompasses about half of the Star Empire and half of its military.

In the Destiny miniseries, both the Romulan Star Empire and Imperial Romulan State, amongst all of the nations of local space, ally with the Federation against the Borg invasion. Both promptly get their asses handed to them since the Borg are actually out to invade and aren't fooling around with only one ship at a time. Like the rest of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, they're only saved at the last minute by the miraculous ending to Destiny that you really ought to read, because it's actually good. During the invasion, a ship from the Imperial Romulan State sacrificed itself to save a Federation world, while the Romulan Star Empire never sent any ships into Federation space -- so the Federation is now much more inclined to be nice to Donatra's government than Tal'Aura's.

In the novel A Singular Destiny, also by DeCandido, the Star Empire joins the Typhon Pact, an alliance of the Romulan Star Empire, Gorn Hegemony, Tholian Assembly, Tzenkethi Coalition, Breen Confederacy, and Holy Order of the Kinshaya formed after all of those nations realized the benefits of peaceful cooperation and unity over factionalism and war after the invasion... but still didn't want to join the Federation. In response, the Federation and Klingon Empire announced that they're calling a summit to see about expanding the Khitomer Accords to encompass the Cardassian Union, Talarian Republic, Ferengi Alliance, and Imperial Romulan State.

An upcoming miniseries called The Typhon Pact will be about the new relationships between Typhon Pact and Khitomer alliance members.

The game Star Trek Online has used the Imperial Romulan State and Tal'Aura/Donatra rivalry as part of its background, but their version of events is very different. There's no Typhon Pact, and the I.R.S. rejoins the R.S.E. after only a few years.

Incredibly horrible. One reason why i gave up on the books. If the Romulan senate was assinated ...... would there be people in line to take power? You just don't go off on a civil war and tear your empire apart.


Oh and OP. Do what I do and erase that horrible film from your memory. Destroying Romulus so that Abrams could give us a very shitty villian. shudders.

 

[-Brett-]

ok, so romulus was destroyed by a supernova in 2387. yeah, i dont think so. in romulan history it is stated that the Rihan Senate was asassinated in bulk in 2402 (or was it 2404?). now, Rihan is the traditional name for romulus (or at least thats what ive been led to believe), so how did the senate survive, and how are they still on romulus? Most romulan history sites dont even mention the supernova. wtf happened? who didn't think this through? can someone explain this to me?

Simple. Only the TV shows and movies count. Whatever you're reading doesn't.

it appears from the memory beta page on the Romulan Senate that the attack she's blathering about it from the background fluff for the Star Trek Online game.

STO's background fluff hasn't gotten into the 2400s yet. The most recent one is 2392.

 

[Sci]

Re: ROMULUS

Aha! I can now reverify what i said. I skimmed through the history a little fast before, but the corrections im now making only make the supernova less unlikely.

The asassination of a bulk of the Romulan Senate (and here comes the correction) occured in 2406 on ch'Rihan after the fall of the republic.

how is this explained?

What the hell are you talking about? What are you reading? (And are you sure that they're using the Gregorian calender when they cite the year 2406?)

Anyway, understand that in Star Trek, only the films and TV shows are canonical. That doesn't mean that novels or books or games or comics "didn't happen" -- but it does mean that future films or TV shows don't have to stay consistent with the novels, et al, if they don't want to.

An intriguing possibility put forth in one of the books, I think by Keith Candido, is that the Romulans split into two Empires. One headed by Tal'Aura who formed an alliance with the Gorn, Breen, and the Tholians. The other headed by Don'atra and Cmdr Toreth which had a chance(just a chance mind you) of having good relations with the Federation.

More specifically, the novel Titan: Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels established that the post-Shinzon, post-Senate Romulan Star Empire had several different factions that were vying for power in Ki Baratan (the capital), with Tal'Aura, the Senator who set the thalaron weapon and murdered the Senate on Shinzon's behalf, setting herself up as Praetor, with Tomalak as her Proconsul. Tal'Aura only has the loyalty of about half of the Imperial Fleet, however -- the other half is answering to Donatra, the Imperial Fleet Commander who turned on Shinzon when she realized he was planning to commit genocide against Earth and helped the Enterprise-E defeat him.

The novel Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido established that between in-fighting between the two half of the Romulan fleet, conquered vassal worlds declaring independence, and civil strife between Romulans and Remans on Romulus and throughout the Empire, the Romulan Star Empire seems on the brink of civil war. In December of 2380, about a year after NEM, Donatra and has her fleet gain control of several major agricultural worlds and declare independence from the Romulan Star Empire, forming the Imperial Romulan State and declaring herself its Empress. Empress Donatra's territory encompasses about half of the Star Empire and half of its military.

In the Destiny miniseries, both the Romulan Star Empire and Imperial Romulan State, amongst all of the nations of local space, ally with the Federation against the Borg invasion. Both promptly get their asses handed to them since the Borg are actually out to invade and aren't fooling around with only one ship at a time. Like the rest of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, they're only saved at the last minute by the miraculous ending to Destiny that you really ought to read, because it's actually good. During the invasion, a ship from the Imperial Romulan State sacrificed itself to save a Federation world, while the Romulan Star Empire never sent any ships into Federation space -- so the Federation is now much more inclined to be nice to Donatra's government than Tal'Aura's.

In the novel A Singular Destiny, also by DeCandido, the Star Empire joins the Typhon Pact, an alliance of the Romulan Star Empire, Gorn Hegemony, Tholian Assembly, Tzenkethi Coalition, Breen Confederacy, and Holy Order of the Kinshaya formed after all of those nations realized the benefits of peaceful cooperation and unity over factionalism and war after the invasion... but still didn't want to join the Federation. In response, the Federation and Klingon Empire announced that they're calling a summit to see about expanding the Khitomer Accords to encompass the Cardassian Union, Talarian Republic, Ferengi Alliance, and Imperial Romulan State.

An upcoming miniseries called The Typhon Pact will be about the new relationships between Typhon Pact and Khitomer alliance members.

The game Star Trek Online has used the Imperial Romulan State and Tal'Aura/Donatra rivalry as part of its background, but their version of events is very different. There's no Typhon Pact, and the I.R.S. rejoins the R.S.E. after only a few years.

Incredibly horrible. One reason why i gave up on the books. If the Romulan senate was assinated ...... would there be people in line to take power?

Legally, Tal'Aura would probably be the next one in line for the Praetorship. But, as the novels note, she was the one who set the bomb. And, as NEM made it clear, Romulus has a history of coups d'etat. It's by no means unrealistic or inconsistent for several factions to emerge to vie for power when the Praetor and Senate are both gone.

You just don't go off on a civil war and tear your empire apart.

Dude, have you ever actually paid attention to what happens to societies whose governments are overthrown in real life? Factions evolve and compete for power. That's just how it works, especially in authoritarian cultures that are already highly rivalrous, as the canon established the Romulan Star Empire to be. Or did you not notice six years' worth of CNN headlines about Iraqis lining up to kill each other as Shias, Sunnis, and Kurds competed for power?

Oh and OP. Do what I do and erase that horrible film from your memory. Destroying Romulus so that Abrams could give us a very shitty villian. shudders.

You can't. It's canon.