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Romulan mining vessels.

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Ok, I can see why they would be massive, something akin to our bulk-carrier cargo vessels of today. But why would anyone (Romulan or otherwise) feel the need to put that much weaponry on the thing that it can easily take out the entire Federation fleet?

I mean, it is described within the movie "Star Trek" as "a simple mining vessel".
 
1. It easily destroyed ships that were technologically inferior to it by a century.

2. The Romulans are a paranoid, militaristic race. Of course they're going to arm their vessels with a lot of firepower.
 
Ok, I can see why they would be massive, something akin to our bulk-carrier cargo vessels of today. But why would anyone (Romulan or otherwise) feel the need to put that much weaponry on the thing that it can easily take out the entire Federation fleet?

I mean, it is described within the movie "Star Trek" as "a simple mining vessel".
It's been supposed by some that the torpedoes seen in the movie (the only weapons employed by the Romulan ship, if I'm not mistaken) were devices re-purposed from their primary application as targetable explosive charges of a sort which would be useful in mining operations on asteroids or small rocky moons. Seems a sensible enough supposition to me, as it's a mining vessel and not simply an ore-carrier.
 
I'd say the missiles were originally intended to break up large asteroids etc.
And with replicators, they'd likely have an infinite supply.

There's always the Countdown graphic novel's version of events (also used in the Star Trek Online backstory and the Star Trek: Nero comic), where Nero had the Narada massively upgraded and armed to the teeth after Romulus' destruction.
 
...Which is in direct contradiction of the movie, where Nero and Spock meet mere seconds after the destruction, and immediately get thrown to the past.

One wonders what role in the mining ship's military prowess was played by its onboard red matter supplies. We only saw the missiles used against two solo vessels - the Kelvin and the Enterprise. When fighting the cadet fleet, Nero already had access to red matter, and might have slaughtered the fleet with that. And arguably he also had red matter when he destroyed the bigger Klingon fleet (perhaps he even sailed into Klingon space specifically to get that red matter, assuming Spock emerged at the same spot where Nero had originally emerged - that spot had Klingons in the proximity, as per the walla aboard the Kelvin).

Although we could also argue that no Klingon fleets were really destroyed: Nero would have been able to (and inclined to) fool Starfleet into sending its fighting force to Laurentius by sending false messages of massive unrest in that direction.

In the final analysis, the Narada wasn't militarily all that impressive. That is, her defensive abilities were, due to her great bulk, but her missiles were useless once Sulu could take potshots at them from the side, rather than from the position of the would-be victim. It was Nero's rabid aggression that made all the difference, reducing the Kelvin to a wreck in a very short time...

And with replicators, they'd likely have an infinite supply.

Indeed. But it's telling that the ship could still only launch a maximum salvo of about twenty missiles, in the conclusion of the movie. Clearly, there were fatal bottlenecks in the process of launching, reducing the ship's potential as a fighting vessel.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:
...Which is in direct contradiction of the
movie, where Nero and Spock meet mere seconds after the destruction, and immediately get thrown to the past.
That's like watching the "Previously on Star Trek: The Next Generation..." recap from an episode and declaring those events took place seconds apart. Clearly the timing of events in the mind meld is heavily truncated. Spock may have spent many hours observing the supernova's collapse into the black hole before beginning his return trip. Or there could have been hours or even days between Romulus' destruction and Spock's arrival at the supernova.

JJ Abrams was tinkering with the mind meld sequence right up until 2 weeks before the movie's premiere. The early script at IMSDB is different in that there are two black holes and a Vulcan tea ceremony prior to launching. Countdown and Star Trek Onine's version of events has Romulus destroyed before Spock's launch. That the film shows events in such a truncated manner, and as an impressionistic mind meld, gives more than enough wiggle room to fit the comics book's backstory if one so chooses.
 
I don't have a problem with the Narada being armed.
You wouldn't want to spend months mining ore in some god forsaken system, just to have it hijacked by pirates on the way back home.
 
Ok, I can see why they would be massive, something akin to our bulk-carrier cargo vessels of today. But why would anyone (Romulan or otherwise) feel the need to put that much weaponry on the thing that it can easily take out the entire Federation fleet?

I mean, it is described within the movie "Star Trek" as "a simple mining vessel".

Well, I imagine if you took a supertanker from today, put a ton of modern weapons on it and sent it a 100 years back to World War 1, it would have a field day sinking the old dreadnaughts.

The same concept would seem to apply here. Certainly between Nero's borderline insanity and the typical Romulan paranoia, it's justifiable that he would arm the Narada. It probably wouldn't stand a chance against a ship of the line in his time, but his ship can tear gaping holes in Kirk's.
 
Narada was clearly upgraded at some point. Remember, it was not Nero's intention to go back in time, that happened by accident. Nero intended to attack the 24th century Federation, and in order to take on 24th century Starfleet, he'd need something more imrpressive than a simple mining vessel. Just ignore Countdown's silly suggestion that Narada was upgraded with Borg tech.
 
Everyone says it was with Borg tech. It was with new Romulan technology, based on stuff they'd learned from reverse engineering Borg tech.
 
It was never stated in the movie that Narada was upgraded with Borg technology, so therefore that's not canon.
 
It was never stated in the movie that Narada was upgraded with Borg technology, so therefore that's not canon.
The name of the ship wasn't stated in the movie, so then why are we calling it Narada?

Sure it is:

NERO: Spock, there's something I would like you to see. Captain Pike, your transporter has been disabled. As you can see by the rest of your armada, you have no choice. You will man a shuttle, come aboard the Narada, for negotiations. That is all.
 
We have no specific reason to think Nero wanted to avenge himself on anything or anybody else but Spock right after the planet blew. He had a quarter of a century to foster crazy ideas of vengeance after the Kelvin encounter where Nero's only known interests lay in locating Spock.

On the other hand, we have no idea why Nero wanted Spock to suffer, or even how he knew who Spock was. If Nero's ship just happened to be one of the very few to witness the death of Romulus, and Nero happened to spot Spock's exotic little ship loitering with intent, and jumped to the conclusion that this ship must have destroyed the Star Empire's hearthworld... Well, that doesn't explain how he'd know Ambassador Spock was in that ship. Unless Spock told him so - but if he did stop to chat, why isn't he dead? Nero's trigger finger is itchy but fast.

Countdown does a pretty good job with the story where Spock fights an uphill battle for saving Romulus, and Nero, a bluecollar caught in the events, is on his side, right until Spock fails to deliver. The vengeance half of the comic storyline is the silly one: Nero is clearly stated to have caught Spock when the Vulcan was on his way back home in the supposedly fast ship, which isn't likely to happen if Nero's lumbering juggernaut has spent any time anywhere else. The only chance for Nero to catch Spock is at the start of the voyage home - and the mind meld scene indeed refers to this: "As I began my return trip, I was intercepted", says Spock. And since both of the ships subsequently got sucked into "the" black hole, all the action seems to have taken place at the place of the initial red matter use - which the mind meld visuals appear to equate with the Romulan home system, where we know Nero saw the destruction of Romulus with his own eyes.

Long side trips to secret depots and extensive refits there just don't make sense. If we allow for that much reaction time, Romulus would have far better champions for avenging the homeworld, and these would be deployed to confront the suspicious little ship at the site of destruction, not some jury-rigged mining platform. A big part of the Star Empire probably avoided destruction thanks to Spock's actions, after all (since he narrowly failed to save the central world); there'd be plenty of warships left.

Really, we don't need to boost the capabilities of a mining rig with mysterious military high tech in order to have it look and act like the Narada. A mining rig like that is a thing designed to rip apart asteroids! What could look more threatening than that?

Timo Saloniemi
 
It was never stated in the movie that Narada was upgraded with Borg technology, so therefore that's not canon.
The name of the ship wasn't stated in the movie, so then why are we calling it Narada?

The name Narada is mentioned many times in the movie. There's the quote above as provided by SonicRanger and the quote where Nero describes it as a "simple mining vessel." Plus a few more I'm sure I'm forgetting.

Narada is very much a canonical name.
 
It was never stated in the movie that Narada was upgraded with Borg technology, so therefore that's not canon.
The name of the ship wasn't stated in the movie, so then why are we calling it Narada?

The name Narada is mentioned many times in the movie. There's the quote above as provided by SonicRanger and the quote where Nero describes it as a "simple mining vessel."

He didn't name the ship in that quote. He used the word this.
 
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