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Romulan mess?

ironduke555

Lieutenant Junior Grade
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When will this 2 Romulan states crap end.Dosen't the Romulans and Klingons have replacators.So whats with all this we need food planets crap.OK I'm venting my Roms have been in bad shape for over 3 years and I want some glory back.I don't post here much but man do I want my good ole RSE back.
 
When will this 2 Romulan states crap end. [...] OK I'm venting my Roms have been in bad shape for over 3 years and I want some glory back.I don't post here much but man do I want my good ole RSE back.

That "crap" with the divided empire has only been going on for less than a year of story time.

By contrast: Germany was divided for over forty years. Korea is still divided after fifty years. Even the U.S. Civil War lasted four years. We're talking about two planetary empires here. Any realistic outlook suggests that this will take time to fix, and I much prefer realism in my stories than a quick "reset button" back to the status quo.

Dosen't the Romulans and Klingons have replacators.So whats with all this we need food planets crap.

Replicators don't just create matter out of thin air. They need matter stores, which in the case of food replicators would have to consist of proteins and other necessary nutrients. Absent those, you can have all the replicators in the galaxy and still starve to death.
 
Replicators don't just create matter out of thin air. They need matter stores, which in the case of food replicators would have to consist of proteins and other necessary nutrients. Absent those, you can have all the replicators in the galaxy and still starve to death.
Actually, replicators convert energy into matter at the subatomic level, so you don't need "food stores" of proteins, you just need ample power reserves for conversion.

However, it would probably not be energy-efficient to run an entire planet on replicators. Perhaps they are used aboard starships to conserve the usage of interior space on the ship, etc., while planets -- which can produce food the old-fashioned way at a fraction of the energy cost -- still rely on agriculture and aquaculture for sustenance.
 
When will this 2 Romulan states crap end.Dosen't the Romulans and Klingons have replacators.So whats with all this we need food planets crap.OK I'm venting my Roms have been in bad shape for over 3 years and I want some glory back.I don't post here much but man do I want my good ole RSE back.

The Shwartz-Sherman books did a dandy job of explaining the back-history of both the Romulans and the Remans. I'm a big Romulan lover who was very lukewarm (to say the least,) on Nemesis's Remans until I read this series.

If you haven't already, give the books a try:

Vulcan's Soul: Exodus
Vulcan's Soul: Exiles
Vulcan's Soul: Epiphany
 
When will this hyperbolic bitchy fanboy crap end? The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.
 
When will this hyperbolic bitchy fanboy crap end? The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.

Is it two?

The first titan book and it's an element of articles of the federation isn't it?

The gap between books gets me a bit confused.
 
The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.

Articles of the Federation and...? As far as I know, none of the other (published) books have caught up with the RSE/IRS split. (Which only further proves that the complaint is unfounded, since the situation has barely been addressed yet, never mind bringing anything to resolution.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
When will this 2 Romulan states crap end.Dosen't the Romulans and Klingons have replacators.So whats with all this we need food planets crap.OK I'm venting my Roms have been in bad shape for over 3 years and I want some glory back.I don't post here much but man do I want my good ole RSE back.

If you're looking for your Romulan fix and haven't read them, then I suggest the Rihannsu series by Diane Duanne. Also I'm pretty sure that the Enterprise books are fixing to cover the Earth-Romulan War. And of course the Vulcan's Soul books that T'bonz suggested.
 
The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.

Articles of the Federation and...? As far as I know, none of the other (published) books have caught up with the RSE/IRS split. (Which only further proves that the complaint is unfounded, since the situation has barely been addressed yet, never mind bringing anything to resolution.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I'm pretty sure it features in Taking Wing but since it's been a while since I read that....
 
The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.

Articles of the Federation and...? As far as I know, none of the other (published) books have caught up with the RSE/IRS split. (Which only further proves that the complaint is unfounded, since the situation has barely been addressed yet, never mind bringing anything to resolution.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I'm pretty sure it features in Taking Wing but since it's been a while since I read that....

Taking Wing takes place before the schism. The situation is mentioned (briefly) in the epilogue of Greater Than The Sum.
 
Replicators don't just create matter out of thin air. They need matter stores, which in the case of food replicators would have to consist of proteins and other necessary nutrients. Absent those, you can have all the replicators in the galaxy and still starve to death.
Actually, replicators convert energy into matter at the subatomic level, so you don't need "food stores" of proteins, you just need ample power reserves for conversion.

Actually it's neither of the above. Replicators don't convert energy into matter; since E=mc^2, you'd need a Hiroshima bomb's worth of energy to replicate a paper clip. Replicators convert raw matter stock into the desired forms. However, you don't need proteins and nutrients to begin with; all you need in principle are the raw materials such as carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Except the TNG Tech Manual does say that to minimize power usage, shipboard replicators draw on "a sterilized organic particulate suspension that has been formulated to statistically require the least quantum manipulation to replicate most finished foodstuffs" (p. 91).

However, it would probably not be energy-efficient to run an entire planet on replicators. Perhaps they are used aboard starships to conserve the usage of interior space on the ship, etc., while planets -- which can produce food the old-fashioned way at a fraction of the energy cost -- still rely on agriculture and aquaculture for sustenance.

Except mass agriculture is rather wasteful and environmentally destructive. It could be fairly efficient if done hydroponically or aeroponically, but replication of foodstuffs would probably be more efficient overall, since you wouldn't need to devote thousands of acres of land and vast amounts of water, nutrients, fuel for farm equipment, etc. to very gradually producing edible food.

Well, I guess it depends on the type of agriculture. Livestock agriculture is insanely wasteful; you could feed a small village with the grain it takes to raise one cow to maturity. If the Western world went vegetarian, Earth would have no food shortages and much less of an energy crisis. So I suppose I can see farming being a viable means of raising grains, vegetables, etc. even in a civilization with replicators -- assuming that you have whole planets to spare for the farmland -- but there's no way that raising livestock the old-fashioned way could possibly be more efficient than replicating meat (or, more realistically, cloning animal tissues from cultures).
 
The Romulan schism has only been featured in, I think, two books so far, and it'll continue for as long as the authors and editors feel there are story possibilities in the situation. Deal.

Articles of the Federation and...? As far as I know, none of the other (published) books have caught up with the RSE/IRS split. (Which only further proves that the complaint is unfounded, since the situation has barely been addressed yet, never mind bringing anything to resolution.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
I'm pretty sure Taking Wing established the split in the Empire, even if it didn't name the Imperial Romulan State.

I'm sure KRAD will be along soon enough with the answer...
 
Taking Wing takes place before the schism. The situation is mentioned (briefly) in the epilogue of Greater Than The Sum.

Ah, I haven't gotten my greedy mittens on that one yet. (Too busy satisfying my greedy scarf and greedy tuque.)

I'm pretty sure Taking Wing established the split in the Empire, even if it didn't name the Imperial Romulan State.

I'm sure KRAD will be along soon enough with the answer...

Might be a question of interpretation. Death in Winter and Taking Wing showed the factionalism in the RSE, but it wasn't until the later months of Articles... that Donatra got fed up of working with Tal'Aura and went off to found her own Romulan state.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Replicators don't just create matter out of thin air. They need matter stores, which in the case of food replicators would have to consist of proteins and other necessary nutrients. Absent those, you can have all the replicators in the galaxy and still starve to death.
Actually, replicators convert energy into matter at the subatomic level, so you don't need "food stores" of proteins, you just need ample power reserves for conversion.

Actually it's neither of the above. Replicators don't convert energy into matter; since E=mc^2, you'd need a Hiroshima bomb's worth of energy to replicate a paper clip. Replicators convert raw matter stock into the desired forms. However, you don't need proteins and nutrients to begin with; all you need in principle are the raw materials such as carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Except the TNG Tech Manual does say that to minimize power usage, shipboard replicators draw on "a sterilized organic particulate suspension that has been formulated to statistically require the least quantum manipulation to replicate most finished foodstuffs" (p. 91).

However, it would probably not be energy-efficient to run an entire planet on replicators. Perhaps they are used aboard starships to conserve the usage of interior space on the ship, etc., while planets -- which can produce food the old-fashioned way at a fraction of the energy cost -- still rely on agriculture and aquaculture for sustenance.

Except mass agriculture is rather wasteful and environmentally destructive. It could be fairly efficient if done hydroponically or aeroponically, but replication of foodstuffs would probably be more efficient overall, since you wouldn't need to devote thousands of acres of land and vast amounts of water, nutrients, fuel for farm equipment, etc. to very gradually producing edible food.

Well, I guess it depends on the type of agriculture. Livestock agriculture is insanely wasteful; you could feed a small village with the grain it takes to raise one cow to maturity. If the Western world went vegetarian, Earth would have no food shortages and much less of an energy crisis. So I suppose I can see farming being a viable means of raising grains, vegetables, etc. even in a civilization with replicators -- assuming that you have whole planets to spare for the farmland -- but there's no way that raising livestock the old-fashioned way could possibly be more efficient than replicating meat (or, more realistically, cloning animal tissues from cultures).
You win again, sir. Well played. :)
 
Also part of it (especially Donatra's hate) is explained in Death In Winter.

I always thought this as wierd and probably something that the authors won't have looming over our heads for too long. A probable solution to it might come in future novels (maybe even Destiny but i doubt it).
I'm sure the brass up at Pocket have something up their sleeves for the Romulans.

edit: damn realised Trent beat me to it
 
I just wanted to go on record as being in favor of the Romulan split. I think it provides interesting storytelling opportunities and I look forward to seeing what the author's do with the situation.

As for it being "crap"...It seems like a fractured central government is a logical result of an enormous power vaccum being created by the loss of both the senate, and the leader who assassinated the Senate all in less than a few weeks.

As for wanting "some glory back" for the Romulans...let's see them earn it in the stories to come.
 
The split is also mentioned in Q&A with Donatra being pursued while on course for a shipyard loyal to her.

I think that the creation of the Imperial Romulan State is one of the best things in the novels in a long time.
 
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