ROMAN References in the Original Star Trek TV Series

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  1. Prince Arthur

    Prince Arthur Ensign Newbie

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    Anyone found any other strange ROMAN references or connections in the original Star Trek TV Series and subsequent Star Trek films?


    Captain James ‘T’ (TIBERIUS) Kirk.


    (TIBERIUS is a most unusual name).


    Tiberius was a ROMAN Emperor from 42BC to 37AD


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius


    Also, Spock was of VULCAN / Human ancestry.


    VULCAN was the ROMAN God of Fire.


    Vulcan, in Roman religion, god of fire, particularly in its destructive aspects as volcanoes or conflagrations. His worship was very ancient, and at Rome he had his own priest (flamen). His chief festival, the Volcanalia, was held on August 23 and was marked by a rite of unknown significance: the heads of Roman families threw small fish into the fire. Because he was a deity of destructive fire, his temples were properly located outside the city. In Roman myth Vulcan was the father of Caeculus, founder of Praeneste (now Palestrina, Italy). His story is told by Servius, the 4th-century-ad commentator on Virgil. Vulcan was also father of the monster Cacus, who was killed by Hercules for stealing his cattle, as Virgil relates in Book VIII of the Aeneid.


    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(mythology)


    USS VIRGIL


    The USS VIRGIL was an Akira-class Federation starship in service in the 24th century. The ship was named after the ancient ROMAN poet VIRGIL.
     
  2. Timo

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    Well, Britain is full of Roman references, for obvious reasons. And the US is full of British references, for equally obvious ones. I don't think Tiberius is particularly unusual, even if it is uncommon, and old Roman gods are everywhere anyway. Heck, the Romans stole them from their predecessors, too.

    English really is a Romantic language, while French is a Germanic one - in terms of vocabulary and content, even if the grammar side of things may be the opposite...

    How about Viking references? Kirk for starters...

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    Badly disguised spam for that astrology website you linked at the bottom of your post? Or maybe it's as the Mod said. Doesn't make any sense. :shrug:
     
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    More Roman Star Trek refs…

    Bread and Circuses (Star Trek: The Original Series)

    "Bread and Circuses" is the twenty-fifth and penultimate episode of the second season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek. Written by Gene Roddenberry and Gene L. Coon and directed by Ralph Senensky, it was first broadcast on March 15, 1968.

    In the episode, Captain James Tiberius Kirk and his companions are forced to fight in gladiatorial games on a planet resembling the Roman Empire, but possessing mid-20th century Earth technology.

    Its name is a reference to the phrase "bread and circuses" taken from the Satire X written by the poet Juvenal. In modern usage, the phrase implies a populace distracted from greater issues by the base pleasures of food and entertainment.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_Circuses_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)
     
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  7. Prince Arthur

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    "Who Watches the Watchers?"

    More classical ROMAN references from our Star Trek plot writers….

    "Who Watches the Watchers?" - the fourth episode of the third season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the 52nd episode overall, first broadcast on October 16, 1989.

    “Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?” – a Latin phrase found in the work of the ROMAN poet Juvenal from his Satires (Satire VI, lines 347–348).

    It is translated as "Who watches the watchers?"

    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes?

    WIRED magazine rated "Who Watches the Watchers" as one of the best of Star Trek: The Next Generation in a 2012 review, for what it called science fiction optimism.

    They note the title's origins in the Latin phrase, "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?", attributed to ROMAN poet Juvenal.
     
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    Star Trek episode based on quote from ROMAN statesman Cicero…

    "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" is the 166th episode of the television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, the 16th episode of the seventh season.

    The episode's title is a paraphrase from Cicero's Pro Milone, Latin for "In times of war, the law falls silent." and is also a line spoken in the teleplay script. Bashir takes a trip to Romulus in this episode for a Federation-Romulan conference..


    [​IMG]Bust_of_Cicero_(1st-cent._BC)_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016 by Prince Arthur, on Flickr


    Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC) was a Roman statesman, orator, lawyer and philosopher, who served as consul in the year 63 BC. He came from a wealthy municipal family of the Roman equestrian order, and is considered one of Rome's greatest orators and prose stylists.
     
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    Writers of TV shows often steal plots from movies and names from old mythology and history books they have laying around. e.g. Sargon from Return to Tomorrow was named after the Ruler of the Akkadian Empire who conquered the Sumerian City States in the 24th to 23rd centuries BC.
     
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    What's so strange about it? Overt references to classical history and mythology are all over popular culture. In the 1960s there was an abundance of cheap sword and sandal movies that dealt with such subjects.

    It's not like Trek's writers and producers were trying to inject some subliminal esoteric messages into things with these references.

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  13. Prince Arthur

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    Maybe the Trek writers HAVE embedded subtle clues and info which can be decoded by Trek enthusiasts and those in the cognoscenti who have sufficient knowledge of the Classics and Greco / Roman mythology.

    It’s not like books have never contained secret information which can be de-coded if you have the key.

    Take the Bible for example. It is full of Stellar Theology which can be de-coded if you have sufficient astronomical knowledge.

    Ref: Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Robert Hewitt Brown (published in 1882.

    PDF download link:

    https://pubastrology.files.wordpres...nic-astronomy-by-robert-hewitt-brown-1882.pdf

    Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the Four Seasons and are depicted as star references in a lot of old church glass windows and books.

    [​IMG]MMLJ 4 by Prince Arthur, on Flickr

    [​IMG]MMLJ 3 by Prince Arthur, on Flickr

    [​IMG]MMLJ 10 by Prince Arthur, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Fig15_Rider Waite Tarot by Prince Arthur, on Flickr

    Ref:

    http://pubastrology.com/matthew-mark-luke-and-john/
     
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    Oh what a surprise. The astrology links are back. :shifty:
     
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  15. Prince Arthur

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    This is Star Trek.

    Astrology is based on the stars so why are you surprised when it gets referenced.....?
     
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    Okay, I think we've seen enough.

    If you want to promote your website, pay for an ad. Otherwise stop with these nonsense threads.
     
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