Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

[dahj]

Speaking of moons (not space stations! ) I've seen references to Jedah as a moon. Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing a larger primary, either in Jedah's sky or the wider shots from space. Mind you, I could say the same thing about Endor...

While Star Wars isn't usually great with actual science, on this point it actually makes some sense.

There's a whole bunch of parameters that affect visibility of planets and their moons, how brightly they reflect light, how the orbit is aligned, and how they both rotate... if you just look at Earth, our Moon is not visible most of the time during the day. And if you were to stand on the wrong half of the Moon, you'd never see the Earth at all.

When it comes to the wide shot, it would have to be pretty freaking wide to fit two celestial objects if you wish to shoot them to the same scale, both would have to be just specks. And if you focus on one, then even if the other one is aligned to be in the same shot it would have to be very tiny in comparison.

 

[Reverend]

While Star Wars isn't usually great with actual science, on this point it actually makes some sense.

There's a whole bunch of parameters that affect visibility of planets and their moons, how brightly they reflect light, how the orbit is aligned, and how they both rotate... if you just look at Earth, our Moon is not visible most of the time during the day. And if you were to stand on the wrong half of the Moon, you'd never see the Earth at all.

When it comes to the wide shot, it would have to be pretty freaking wide to fit two celestial objects if you wish to shoot them to the same scale, both would have to be just specks. And if you focus on one, then even if the other one is aligned to be in the same shot it would have to be very tiny in comparison.

I suppose it depends on the relative size and orbital distances of the respective bodies, though to be considered a moon rather than a twin-body system, would it not need to orbit something with significantly more mass and considering both Jedah and Endor appear to be roughly 1 Earth mass equivalent based on the gravity, would that not mean the primary should be a gas giant? I suppose a really dense super-terrestrial body, stellar remnant or stripped gas giant core could capture an Earth mass body in a stable orbit without dominating the sky, but I can't say for sure. I mean I'm pretty sure the angular diameter of our gas giants from even their most distant spherical (read: high mass) moons are several orders of magnitude greater than Luna's from Earth, but I don't have figures to hand to back that up.

All that said, on reflection, I'm not sure we ever got much of a wide shot of Jedah, so it's conceivable the primary was always out of frame.

Endor still seems like a problem though since the jump-in scene does give us a *very* wide shot of the Endor system and the Sanctuary moon seems to be all alone (save for one other rocky moon that shows up once in the shuttle approach scene.) But that's a whole other discussion.

In a larger sense though, since yes this is space fantasy; why bother calling something a moon without showing that off visually?
I get that the Endor thing was mostly a hold-over from the earlier draft that had it orbiting the Imperial captital world Had Abbanon, but what about Jedah?

 

[dahj]

why bother calling something a moon

It's a nice, confident word, moon, it has a sort of woody quality about it.
Unlike planet, just a dreadful tinny sort of word.

Spoiler: caribou gorn

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[Mr. Adventure]

Haven't read all of the posts but while the latter part was good I found the first half to be a real slog. I'm not sure if I understood Forest Whitaker's character but that might have been me dozing off. Vader at the end was pretty kick-ass though.

I actually thought they did some great prosthetic work or something with Tarkin so I guess I found the CG convincing lol.

The onscreen location tags didn't feel right in a Star Wars movie but what I really missed was the fanfare. I could've done without some of the callbacks to the other movies though.

I found K2SO successfully amusing but maybe Doctor Strange had a point about the stereotypical Asian monk role, blind no less. The first scene with the monk seemed like he should've probably been shot a couple of times but they are stormtroopers I guess.

A trope I haven't liked in movies are scraping the ground with little effect and being to just walk away totally unscathed from actual crashes.

 

[Phily B]

I gave it a C.

I thought it was very very boring. Dull one dimensional characters, humourless and considering how much the first two acts were driven by characters, it ultimately fell flat. The film was saved by the final act though when stuff actually happened. Out of all the new characters, only the evil Empire guy was well done.

 

[ancient]

It was a nice porn.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

I want to give toy lightsabers to all the people that thought Tarkin looked great and all the people that thought Tarkin looked terrible and make them fight.

 

[Venardhi]

The people who thought he looked fine probably don't even care enough to fight for it. We righteous indignant few on the other side would slaughter them in their apathetic hesitance.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Right, so red lightsabers for you lot.

No less than I expected.

 

[Venardhi]

These computer-generated replications are an abomination. We must cleanse cinema of this heresy before it can spread.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

We must cleanse cinema of this heresy before it can spread.

With one swift stroke, you might say?

 

[Ithekro]

CGI Princess Leia is now one of Carrie Fisher's last performances.....

 

[Mudd]

CGI Princess Leia is now one of Carrie Fisher's last performances.....

It was not, so far as is known, her performance.

Her passing away as she has makes that whole affair a bit ghoulish.

 

[Reverend]

CGI Princess Leia is now one of Carrie Fisher's last performances.....

That's not her and she's in Episode VIII, so no, it isn't.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

That's not her and she's in Episode VIII, so no, it isn't.

The actress is Ingvlid Deila, but I thought the voice was Fisher's? If so, I found it ironic that her last spoken dialogue was about finding renewed hope. What a horrible way to end this crappy year.

These computer-generated replications are an abomination. We must cleanse cinema of this heresy before it can spread.

You might need to get used to it if Leia is to appear in Episode IX without majorly significant re-writes...

 

[Venardhi]

I expect they'll make the necessary adjustments in VIII where they have more footage to work with.

 

[Samurai8472]

CGI Princess Leia is now one of Carrie Fisher's last performances.....

She's filmed her scenes from Episode 8 and most likely 9

It's so surreal to see her in "Rogue One" as the young Princess then dying a week later

It was like her final performance left us remembering her as a young 19 year old.


(Even though she's still in episode 8)

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The actress is Ingvlid Deila, but I thought the voice was Fisher's?

Her voice really doesn't sound like that anymore.

 

[Reverend]

^I'd assumed they'd sampled that one word from some alternate take in ANH.

Anyway, just to head this off before it gets any more involved: could we all please agree to have a moratorium on any discussion of how someone's mother, daughter and sister dying is going to impact a movie about talking robots and laser swords. At least for a few weeks. Pretty please?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Anyway, just to head this off before it gets any more involved: could we all please agree to have a moratorium on any discussion of how someone's mother, daughter and sister dying is going to impact a movie about talking robots and laser swords. At least for a few weeks. Pretty please?

Why? Are you a close relative? Fisher is a pop icon whose passing will immediately and significantly affect Ep IX. I see nothing wrong with discussing possibilities. It's not disrespectful. Besides, everyone was all over Yelchin's untimely death and how they should deal with it in the next Trek film -- and he's no Carrie Fisher.

Anyway, the whole world is going down the crapper next year. When the nuclear bombs are going off, we'll wish we had the luxury to discuss movies about talking robots and laser swords again....