Spoilers Rogue grade and discussion thread
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I think it's hubris to assume going for the general UK audience is necessary.
We're global, honey.
That said, going for the Bridgerton Brigade might offend your delicates, as might boys kissing, but I don't think the Great British Public are as put off by all that as your bunch of Not-Wes.
Good luck finding any post of mine where I have said anything about those last few bits… though I do suspect chasing the Bridgerton Brigade wasn’t exactly as successful as likely intended. I said it was like fanfic with a warmed-over ersatz Captain Jack. On the subject thereof, my bunch of not-wes were watching Torchwood long after I gave up on it as being not to my taste — more for the grim than anything else tbh. So I am not on hundred percent sure the Yaoi is what did for their interest, so much as how it was done.
I also don’t think global will be the end state, sadly.
(There seem to be a fair few international fans who were well used to it being on their home networks for years, but now they have to fork over to the mouse.)
The general UK audience has been Who’s bread and butter for decades, and in many ways a key part of its appeal is that ‘home grown British’ thing.
The whole thing feels like some strange version of season 24/25 only decidedly without the decent ideas, and though I hate to say it, a Doctor who isn’t doing a great job of it. Though with these scripts, who knows who could.
I enjoyed most of it. Didn't like the convenient save for Ruby but this was the only explanation I could come up with too.
(I did double check there were 7 off them in trap when Rogue jumped in)
I love Bridgerton so liked all the nods to it with the music and casting.
Worse than the last time we were a series break out from an episode with Bonnie Langford, with a big label as Friend of Dorothy slapped on him. (Though I always liked the Happiness Patrol… 5.1 million viewers if you’re curious. By Survival we were around the 4 million mark.)
Latest consolidated figures are 24th in charts, just above Race The World and below all the Eastenders, Emmerdales, HIGNFY etc. Lowest numbers ever maybe — likely for sure since the return in 2005.
Rogue saw a slight uptick over Dot & Bubble on the overnights, both are around the 2.10 to 2.12 million.
Latest consolidated figures are 24th in charts, just above Race The World and below all the Eastenders, Emmerdales, HIGNFY etc. Lowest numbers ever maybe — likely for sure since the return in 2005.
Rogue saw a slight uptick over Dot & Bubble on the overnights, both are around the 2.10 to 2.12 million.
Another fun episode.
I haven't watched Bridgerton, so I didn't pick up on the specific references to it, but it still worked for me.
I thought the whole idea of killer cosplayers as the bad guys was pretty fun, and I really liked the makeup and designs of their true forms.
Rogue was definitely the highlight of the episode, he was likeable and his relationship with The Doctor was a lot of fun. I really hope we see him again. His quick save of Ruby was a little too easy, but that was a pretty minor thing for me.
I haven't watched Bridgerton, so I didn't pick up on the specific references to it, but it still worked for me.
I thought the whole idea of killer cosplayers as the bad guys was pretty fun, and I really liked the makeup and designs of their true forms.
Rogue was definitely the highlight of the episode, he was likeable and his relationship with The Doctor was a lot of fun. I really hope we see him again. His quick save of Ruby was a little too easy, but that was a pretty minor thing for me.
That works for me. Plus, that allows the Shalka Doctor to still be technically The Ninth Doctor as originally intended.
On a sheer matter of technicality, we don’t see the War Doctor until after Clara has repaired The Doctors timeline from the GI incursion. So the Shalka Doctor could have been part of that, who was changed to the War Doctor after Clara corrected it. In universe mirroring out of universe — The War Doctor literally didn’t exist until that moment, because first the events with the GI and Trenzalore (both of which now don’t occur the same way because of Clara) have to happen/unhappen.
Which does also mean anytime you need a retcon, you just need to get Jenna Coleman back.
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Maybe but why share both faces then? Doesn't make as much sense as The Shalka Doctor being a young version of The War Doctor as already postulated. That would make sense if, say, the Cushing Doctor had also been shared, which would've been really wild if that happened.
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Pff.
Forget timey-wimey. We're being asked to go dimensionally-wensionally...
The ultimate cop-out for, well everything anyone doesn't like/understand/care about, frankly.
Everyone who's bothered going to have their protractors and rulers and squared paper ready when they re-watch Church as per RTD's recommendation?
Forget timey-wimey. We're being asked to go dimensionally-wensionally...
The ultimate cop-out for, well everything anyone doesn't like/understand/care about, frankly.
Everyone who's bothered going to have their protractors and rulers and squared paper ready when they re-watch Church as per RTD's recommendation?
Would just be a ‘watch’ for me. I refused to bother.
The Toymaker mentioned that he made a jigsaw puzzle out of the Doctor's history. The Shalka Doctor might be evidence of it.
I really enjoyed this episode. I enjoy Bridgerton, so I am used the the multicultural period piece with anachronistic music.
Rogue definitely made me think of Captain Jack as well. But enjoyed having a character that the Doctor was actually into (as the Doctor was never as into Captain Jack as Captain Jack might have been into him).
Also I have loved Jonathan Groff in "Looking" so it's great to see him as this kind of a character in Doctor who.
The good thing is Rogue didn't die, so there's nothing stopping him from coming back.
But as someone else said, we might not encounter him until it's time for this Doctor to regenerate.
Rogue definitely made me think of Captain Jack as well. But enjoyed having a character that the Doctor was actually into (as the Doctor was never as into Captain Jack as Captain Jack might have been into him).
Also I have loved Jonathan Groff in "Looking" so it's great to see him as this kind of a character in Doctor who.
The good thing is Rogue didn't die, so there's nothing stopping him from coming back.
But as someone else said, we might not encounter him until it's time for this Doctor to regenerate.
I think RTD said something similar to that in a recent interview that Doctor Who canon has been loosened up as a result of the Toymaker's meddling. That could be taken as implication that alternate incarnations of the Doctor--like the Shalka Doctor and maybe even Peter Cushing's Doctor--may all have really existed.
But maybe loved the performance in The Curse of Fatal Death?
The Great Intelligence stepped into the Doctor's timestream so maybe there is some repercussions from that?
I liked the episode but it very much feels like an episode that they might have done 20 years back.
Richard E. Grant having been The Doctor being a thing that RTD has decided to include does not automatically or necessarily mean that Scream of the Shalka itself is now explicitly part of The Doctor's past.
That's an important distinction that isn't being made by that should be.
That's an important distinction that isn't being made by that should be.
It isn't been made because RTD clearly intended for the Shalka story to be canon. Whether you like it or not (as your avatar said so "eloquently" in his debut story).
