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Roddenberry vs Zardoz

Plutodawn

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Both Star Trek (indirectly) and Andromeda (directly by name, whole theme of the show in fact) attacked Nietzsche's ideas.

The movie Zardoz fully embraced the silliness of the philosophy to it's morbid outcome.

How do you compare Khan and the Eugenics Wars to Zardoz, or Andromeda for that matter?

Has the Trek World lost focus on examining Nietzsche's philosophy critically, or is it just "everything goes" so long as it involves Athiesm and fake science (explain to me how. warp drive works again, or subspace?) coupled with ships blasting one another in exreme close range (space is big guys, spread out a bit).

You talk to any freshman philosophy student, two things they know are Star Trek, and Nietzsche, and they don't begin to grasp how the two are supposed to be anthetical. Bunch of mouth breathers.

Frank Herbert's Dune embraced Nietzsche, but also sought to undue the presumptions intentionally formulated in the former novel in every sequal. Roddenberry, he opposed..... made it absolutely obvious in Andromeda, despite the writer for that show unfortunately being a fan of Nietzsche.

At what point will Star Trek reclaim this forgotten, central legacy to the franchise and start forcing people to think again? Is it all about the space battles, creating a make believe world culture of athiesm, and big tit bimbos with too much plastic surgery now?

Seriously, that's all I see in Star Trek anymore. They need to just make a new series based on the USS Nietzsche, as some big titty captain jumps up in down in battles, while her ship blows holes through enemy formations, and everyone claps when she cries out God Is Dead, we're finally a advance civilization based on science and reason!!!!! Keep jumping, keep jumping......

Really, does Star Trek have a future in returning back to philosophical criticism Do Gene Roddenberry's ideas have any import going forward? Should we all just give up and light ourselves on fire as the captain on the bridge whips out her jump rope?
 
As long as that someone doesn't gaze into the abyss a little too long while they're out taking a breather...

I seem to recall Roddenberry was influenced by Werner Erhard and vice versa but I can't find a source to confirm this.

Khan is most likely the embodiment of the superman. Stephen Fry has some interesting points to make about Trek and Nietzsche:

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I think "Zardoz" is best remembered these days as an obvious inspiration for Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" video.

Well, at least by me. :)
 
I've managed to avoid listening (knowingly) to Lady Gaga till. I'm gonna avoid researching that. I saw a photo of her, looks like a cross dresser. Afraid I might like the music, then will have to become a gay. Best not to risk that happening.

And I don't believe in breathing, gets in the way of talking and chewing.

I will look at that video later. I look at Frank Herbert less for his writing and more for his philosophy. I'm interested in Roddenberry for much the same. He really helped get me interested in comparing Neo-Platonism and Early Christian Physics with his ideas regarding Telrporters. Why I went and watched every episode of every series of Star Trek.
 
And I will come back to correct the spelling mistakes in that last post in 12 days, once I earn my right to edit my posts. I really should be allowed to fix it now.
 
The thread title had me picturing something a little more Dionysian and a little less Apollonian.
 
Seriously, that's all I see in Star Trek anymore...
What are you even referring to? Seen as there hasn't been a new episode of Star Trek in nearly 12 years. There's the three Bad Robot movies that have come out since then but tbh I'm not expecting there to be tonnes of philosophical debate in big budget summer blockbuster films.
They're making a new show now, but it's not out for ages and much info has really been released. So unless you're talking to us from the past through a micro-wormhole like that Romulan in Voyager, I don't really know what you're on about.


And don't you need to be on "LDS" to enjoy Zardoz?
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There's the three Bad Robot movies that have come out since then but tbh I'm not expecting there to be tonnes of philosophical debate in big budget summer blockbuster films.
I would (and do) argue there is a lot to debate in Into Darkness. And no small amount in Beyond for that matter.
 
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