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Roddenberry and the Biblical Allusions in TOS.

Spock is basically resurrected with his spirit or consciousness being restored into his physical body. McCoy is the person who carried that consciousness and, thus, facilitated that restoration. McCoy identifies himself as "Son of David".

In the Bible Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the one that facilitates a dead individual's consciousness being restored in their physical body. In the scriptures Jesus is referred to as the "Son of David".

Considering that the writer/producer and director of The Search for Spock were both Jewish, I think that's probably a coincidence.

Also, apparently all the descendants of David were called "son of David," not just Jesus. Solomon was called "son of David" because he literally was that, as opposed to Jesus who was (according to Matthew) 28 generations later. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 1&version=NIV
 
This touches on comments made here (AND in TNZ I think) in regards the Bible as literature.

Spock is basically resurrected with his spirit or consciousness being restored into his physical body. McCoy is the person who carried that consciousness and, thus, facilitated that restoration. McCoy identifies himself as "Son of David".

In the Bible Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the one that facilitates a dead individual's consciousness being restored in their physical body. In the scriptures Jesus is referred to as the "Son of David".

Deforest Kelley wanted McCoy's father to be David, to honor his own father. I think that from a writing standpoint, a casual, low-brow sounding name, like Son of Frank or Son of Ralph, would have made a better contrast with all that Vulcan profundity. McCoy was supposed to be a fish out of water, not a fellow high-brow with a "son of king" sounding name.
 
And Pike once spoke of his experiences attending church.
OK, that makes it plausible.

But also plausible is simply that he was raised as a Christian and he doesn't consider himself one anymore, or he is no longer a practicing Christian.

Also in the mix is that he was exposed to the view of hell as fire and brimstone, that was established in "The Cage"; the Keeper characterized it as "from a fable [Pike] once heard in childhood," but it is unclear whether Pike considers it a fable or that is what the Keeper considers it (or both). I would expect that Pike doesn't believe in that as literal hell, but canonistas could argue there is no proof of that. Maybe Pike heard that characterization of hell while attending church or Sunday school.
 
A certain part of ST fandom loves to skip over the very reason Spock was able to fully return, and the (continuing) unequivocal statement TSFS made about the presence and power of faith in the franchise.

All the faith in the world doesn’t bring Spock back without the “science” of the Genesis device.
 
It's a common name. Like "Martha" was once...

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All the faith in the world doesn’t bring Spock back without the “science” of the Genesis device.
I never thought of more than psychic transfer into a new body. (That some how was aged to “perfection”)
 
Was that in "New Eden"?

No.

But also plausible is simply that he was raised as a Christian and he doesn't consider himself one anymore, or he is no longer a practicing Christian.

We have no idea. For all we know, Pike still DOES consider himself a Christian and does attend services whenever possible. It could also be that he doesn't do any of these things. We just don't know either way.
 
But aren't the great majority of religious people in Star Trek non-humans?

Other than the few references in the original series, it's Vulcans, Klingons, Bajorans, Telaxaians and whatever aliens of the week.

Also Roddenberry and the movies after TMP didn't really mix. His word was given and usually ignored apparently.

Roddenberry's later stance was that HUMANS moved on from religion. Not Picard. Unless I missed some episodes in other series. I guess Chakotay had some spirit animal.
I guess some of the characters didn't get the memo. Regardless of Kirk's line about finding just the one god to be sufficient, both McCoy and Uhura say things that give the impression that they're believers.

You know, you're right, I really misremembered Picard's stance and can't find where I got that from. So, I withdraw my statement. Sorry.

I also forgot Picard included Christmas in his Nexus fantasy, so there goes that.

Having said that, it is interesting that the majority of religions shown on Star Trek are demonstrated by the aliens and that more often references to human religion are made in the context of the original series and their films.
As time goes on, I think most audiences would prefer not to have preaching included in their entertainment (that's what RL church and the religious channels are for). But religion is still a basic part of human society in many ways, so it provides a source for stories. As with other issues, it's easier to accept an examination of religion/faith issues when they're presented from a non-human pov, or at least one that isn't current.

It's easier to make up details of an alien religion than to get the details right about real religions, because there'll always be someone who disputes any claims that might be made about a real religion, or find the portrayal inaccurate, biased, or inauthentic.
Yep. I'm writing a story (absolutely nothing Star Trek-related) that's based in the 11th century. I decided I did not want to fret about getting the religion/faith details right/wrong for that time, so it's an alternate universe and I made up the religion(s) the characters follow. And at least in my story, nobody is trying to kill anyone else over which god(s) they worship. They have other reasons.

So it's possible to explore some religious themes, but from a different perspective.

Plus, religions that believe in an "end of days" might struggle to reconcile far future/fantasy fictional happenings with the events depicted in their prophecies.

Not to say that it can't be done, however. I've read Christian sci-fi and fantasy that either avoids the question (by depicting characters who focus more on developing Christ-like character and faith than how their world lines up with apocalypse prophecies) or uses allegory of fictional lands to promote Christian concepts instead of having the Bible as written exist in the story.
Somewhere in my book collection I have an anthology of short stories from a religion/faith theme. One of the stories is about a war on another planet, and the characters are a young girl and a soldier, from opposite sides of the conflict. It's heartbreaking in a way. And there's a novel called Noah II about a futuristic "Noah" who is directed to build a spaceship to save some of the people and animals from Earth being destroyed.

Imagining how the Bible might prophesy first contact, Starfleet, etc, or introducing an imaginary third testament that speaks of such things might pose a challenge.
The longer time goes on without some of this stuff happening that's been prophesized, the more the likelihood that someone will decide a third testament would be needed to explain why the prophecies haven't come true.

And Pike once spoke of his experiences attending church.
Did he speak of them as recent or long ago? There are many people who attended church as children or young adults who later opt not to continue.

This touches on comments made here (AND in TNZ I think) in regards the Bible as literature.

Spock is basically resurrected with his spirit or consciousness being restored into his physical body. McCoy is the person who carried that consciousness and, thus, facilitated that restoration. McCoy identifies himself as "Son of David".

In the Bible Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the one that facilitates a dead individual's consciousness being restored in their physical body. In the scriptures Jesus is referred to as the "Son of David".
McCoy's father's name is David. It's got nothing to do with Old Testament David.

Was that in "New Eden"? Not finding a reference to it in the transcript. He identifies a building as a church, though. I assume his father might have taken him to churches and other places of worship.
You don't have to go to church to know a building is a church. Most of them are pretty obvious.

Deforest Kelley wanted McCoy's father to be David, to honor his own father. I think that from a writing standpoint, a casual, low-brow sounding name, like Son of Frank or Son of Ralph, would have made a better contrast with all that Vulcan profundity. McCoy was supposed to be a fish out of water, not a fellow high-brow with a "son of king" sounding name.
I never made any connection with biblical David when I saw this (this is one I saw in the theatre). I just assumed McCoy's father's name was David. Should the writers have said no to Kelley's request and scoured the history books to make sure they didn't choose a name of someone who had been a king?

I think "Son of Ralph" would probably have set off laughter in the theatre - not the ideal reaction for such a solemn moment in the movie.

Yeah, and how about McCoy's dad having the same first name as Kirk's son?
So? One year when I was working in musical theatre, there were FIVE people with the same name (me, the stage manager, one of the stage hands, and two dancers). I have a very common first name, at least for my generation and the one following.
 
McCoy's father's name is David. It's got nothing to do with Old Testament David.
Yes, but "son of David" is one of the Messiah's titles also. I'm not saying that's what the screenwriters had in mind, but some Christians such as myself probably did a double-take when they first heard that line in the film.
 
This touches on comments made here (AND in TNZ I think) in regards the Bible as literature.

Spock is basically resurrected with his spirit or consciousness being restored into his physical body. McCoy is the person who carried that consciousness and, thus, facilitated that restoration. McCoy identifies himself as "Son of David".

In the Bible Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the one that facilitates a dead individual's consciousness being restored in their physical body. In the scriptures Jesus is referred to as the "Son of David".

Indeed, and it is important to note that long after TOS/TAS, the movie era of ST films did not have some fantasized, anti-religious mandate in place, otherwise Spock's resurrection--which was as firm and bold statement on the inherent union of faith and supernatural action as ST would present up to that time--would have been avoided.

I think that from a writing standpoint, a casual, low-brow sounding name, like Son of Frank or Son of Ralph

The insulted Ralphs and Franks of the world will be waiting outside of your house, armed with crowbars...

All the faith in the world doesn’t bring Spock back without the “science” of the Genesis device.

The Genesis device had nothing to do with the reality of Spock's Katra, or the effectiveness of the re-fusion ceremony / ability, which brought Spock back. Without it, he was some empty vessel reacting with certain instincts, but one with no soul, memory and thought--central components of a living being.
 
The Genesis device had nothing to do with the reality of Spock's Katra, or the effectiveness of the re-fusion ceremony / ability, which brought Spock back. Without it, he was some empty vessel reacting with certain instincts, but one with no soul, memory and thought--central components of a living being.

Actually, we really don’t know if Spock II could’ve been retrained, like Uhura in “The Changeling”.

Judging from his experiences with Saavik, I’d say he was done an injustice simply being overwritten by original Spock.
 
McCoy said "Lord forgive me" in the first episode broadcast. Said "dear Lord" in TWOK.

Either he was talking about Jack Lord or he was a man of some faith.

Morrow didn't believe in "Vulcan mysticism" and Kirk wasn"t sure either, but Kirk was open to God's existence in Star Trek V.

Religion exists, but perhaps the stance on "organized" religion changed. Or the worst parts of it are gone.
 
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