Roberto Orci

[CorporalClegg]

The Orci idea does have potential, I suppose--maybe when mixed with the time travel with Pops idea.

Suppose there's a rogue Vulcan (We'll call him "Soyranbok".) who lost his family in the destruction. He's after some MacGuffin that can send him back to stop the Narada before the attack. Kirk finds out and rigs it to send them all the way back to the Kelvin attack.

Spock wants to stop him but is reluctant to because he finds himself in his own "needs of the many" existential crisis. He realizes that, now 30 some years in, the effects of the new time-line has rippled across the galaxy, and the lives affected could potentially be in the trillions.

 

[Awesome Possum]

That might work better if it were Sarek, who has likely met old Spock and could know about the prime universe. His motivation could be the loss of his wife and his world. He truly believes he's creating a better world and that it's completely logical. This would give Spock even more conflict given his relationship with his father.

 

[NCC-1967]

Similarities between his and Jung/Pegg's scripts, even though nobody involved in the latter had read the former's. According to Orci on Twitter, both involved a chase for a McGuffin and a swarm of alien ships.

Well, if a "chase for a McGuffin" storyline automatically ensures a "written by" credit, Hollywood movies would have dozens of writers credited

 

[BillJ]

Suppose there's a rogue Vulcan (We'll call him "Soyranbok".) who lost his family in the destruction. He's after some MacGuffin that can send him back to stop the Narada before the attack. Kirk finds out and rigs it to send them all the way back to the Kelvin attack.

*cough*Soran*cough*

 

[Jeyl]

*cough*Soran*cough*

Hey, at least they're going back further than five minutes.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

So, they go back in time, stop the Kelvin attack and make it so that the Prime timeline is intact, thus making the previous 3 movies invalid.

Uh, no.

 

[wayoung]

So, they go back in time, stop the Kelvin attack and make it so that the Prime timeline is intact, thus making the previous 3 movies invalid.

Uh, no.

Orci said the TEMPTATION is to do that, not that they actually did that in his script. My guess would be that Spock and Kirk face their temptation to bring back their families and then resist their personal urges, destroying / hiding away the Macguffin at the end. Thus, the Kelvinverse continues. Would seem more in line with Trek.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Orci said the TEMPTATION is to do that, not that they actually did that in his script. My guess would be that Spock and Kirk face their temptation to bring back their families and then resist their personal urges, destroying / hiding away the Macguffin at the end. Thus, the Kelvinverse continues. Would seem more in line with Trek.

I would hope there would be more of a plot than that, with that being some form of sideline. Beyond that, we've already had enough of the internal struggles, conflicts, even some of the personal torture via Sybok.

Kirk and Spock even entertaining that notion goes against what those characters seem to be, even in this universe.

 

[shapeshifter]

The creation of the timeline was predestined (imo) so 'its' DoTI would not allow tampering after the fact, anyway.

That is how I hope Paramount sees it too, never agrees to anything intended to erase this universe. TT within it is fair game so long as the reset is pushed, as usual.

 

[wayoung]

I would hope there would be more of a plot than that, with that being some form of sideline. Beyond that, we've already had enough of the internal struggles, conflicts, even some of the personal torture via Sybok.

Kirk and Spock even entertaining that notion goes against what those characters seem to be, even in this universe.

Well, they were also fighting the •sigh• Annukai •sigh• for the Macguffin so that probably took up most of the movie.

I've had enough of repeated plot points in Trek in general. Beyond played the same beats we've seen a dozen times as well, it just executed them well.

 

[BillJ]

I've had enough of repeated plot points in Trek in general.

After seven hundred hours, I think every plot point has been repeated. Multiple times.

 

[wayoung]

After seven hundred hours, I think every plot point has been repeated. Multiple times.

True enough, but I'm referring just to the movies here and I found Beyond particularly repetitive. Executed superbly, but bringing nothing new to the franchise. Every major moment in it occurred in at least one (sometimes multiple) films.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't mind the plot because I love the characters.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Why would anyone want to rewrite their timeline and basically wipe themselves out of existence? Other than bringing back Vulcan and the parents of two individuals, are there any positives other than maybe some people like the whole 60's theme?.

Spock: "Captain, if successful, we could restore my species from being endangered. Billions of lives will not have been lost, including my mother's. Those lost in the Kelvin attack, including your father, would live on prosperously, as my Prime counterpart once told you. I believe it would be the moral thing to do. The lives we have lived in the past 30 plus years would never have happened, but considering the benefits, it would be a logical sacrifice I am willing to make."
Kirk: "Uh, but Spock, in this Prime timeline, you are not banging Uhura."
Spock: "Oh... Well, forget my suggestion."
*Kirk and Spock high five*

Directed By
ROBERTO ORCI

 

[M'Sharak]

Well, that was pretty crass.

Let's try aiming a little higher, shall we?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

To be fair, I was only aiming for Orci's level.

 

[wayoung]

To be fair, I was only aiming for Orci's level.

As I read that I pictured it being said indignantly by someone only wearing underwear with one hand up.

Edit: I didn't get the sarcasm in their other post the first time I read it either, until I saw this explanation.

 

[Phoenix219]

Yeah, it was probably best that Orci got shitcanned with that story idea.

Nope. I would have actually shown up in the theaters instead of via torrenting if this movie had Shatner in it.

Saving billions of Vulcans seems to be a pretty non-selfish reason for fixing the Universe.

Still wonder how Nuverse will defeat Vger and the Whale Probe. Hope Old Spock left them a guide. :P

 

[Phoenix219]

I didn't steal anything. They still have their copies, that they can still sell to literally an infinite number of people. Is it stealing if I watch it on Netflix with a friend? Or go to their house to watch a DVD for free? Or watch it on cable at someone's house? GTFO. If I torrent something that was on TV public broadcast, is that stealing? If I could DVR or Record something and torrent it instead, is that stealing? That's pretty fucking shitty that you feel like judging me, and are attempting to make ME feel shitty over something I feel not an ounce of remorse for that hurt absolutely no one. I have very little spendable money outside of business bills, and I am not wasting it on garbage. Without a draw like Shatner, they would not be getting my money either way. Honestly? I haven't even watched more then a few minutes of the torrented file yet, because that is how little I care about JJ Trek. No, I do not feel guilty for archiving television. Lol.

 

[wayoung]

...Can we not keep one thread in this forum civil enough that it won't be locked by moderators?