Roberto Orci
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I think Orci's screenplay would have had critics throwing the "it feels like an episode" criticism at it even harder than Beyond did. Especially given the obvious comparisons that could be made to a certain incredibly well-regarded TOS episode.
It also gives some credence to one of the rumours that I heard, namely that the Orci/Payne/McKay screenplay was "fan friendly" in the same way that Generations was; lots of stuff fans would enjoy, but it would come the the expense of the rest of the story being impenetrable to casual audiences.
It also gives some credence to one of the rumours that I heard, namely that the Orci/Payne/McKay screenplay was "fan friendly" in the same way that Generations was; lots of stuff fans would enjoy, but it would come the the expense of the rest of the story being impenetrable to casual audiences.
Thank you to those of you who gave me actual information. I appreciate it.
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I fear Orci screenplay and direction would have been critically panned
I imagine Paramount would've rather "critically panned" and a $140 million dollar opening weekend, like Suicide Squad.
From what I remember reading quite a while back, it corroborates the above. There was a group of Vulcans who heard of something that could restore the timeline and therefore, the planet Vulcan and its six billion inhabitants. They wanted to find that thing and started searching for it. Kirk and crew ended up in the search as well, as did a third group, a new alien race. I think Kirk's orders were to see to it the reset button wasn't pushed. It wasn't. That's all I remember, if any of that was even true. That and the script was apparently criticized for being "too Trekky," which is an interesting criticism given the content of STB.Turns out some rumours regarding Bob's ST3 were true after all.
(Orci did get a producer's credit in the credits at the end of STB, by the way.)
Probably because Paramount still had to pay him for the work he had done anyway. Orci definitely had no creative input on Beyond. You can tell because it doesn't suck.
Could be either way. Having the enemy be the Annunaki fits in with his pattern of shoehorning conspiracy theory BS into Star Trek.
Edit to add: wasn't one rumoured plot centering around The Guardian of Forever, and that's how they were bringing in Shatner? I kinda remember Harlin Ellison going on about them not using his creations without proper payment.
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Turns out some rumours regarding Bob's ST3 were true after all.
orci giving more ST3 details on his twitter
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760928061621620737?lang=en-gb
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760928356208513025?lang=en-gb
so it was Kirk Prime shatner was going to be playing..not future Pine kirk
Why would anyone want to rewrite their timeline and basically wipe themselves out of existence? Other than bringing back Vulcan and the parents of two individuals, are there any positives other than maybe some people like the whole 60's theme?
It's just the hight of selfishness. It's not like the Kelvin timeline is a dystopia. It actually seems to be an improvement. The casual sexism is gone and the Federation seems to be a lot bigger and more powerful. We know that at the very least the Orions have joined Starfleet and their women aren't slaves anymore. Would they honestly be happier going back to that so Kirk can pal around with his dad?
Orci wrote for Fringe, breaking the universe for personal reasons no matter how noble was seen as a pretty awful idea on it.
It's just the hight of selfishness. It's not like the Kelvin timeline is a dystopia. It actually seems to be an improvement. The casual sexism is gone and the Federation seems to be a lot bigger and more powerful. We know that at the very least the Orions have joined Starfleet and their women aren't slaves anymore. Would they honestly be happier going back to that so Kirk can pal around with his dad?
Orci wrote for Fringe, breaking the universe for personal reasons no matter how noble was seen as a pretty awful idea on it.
That pretty much describes what Harlan Ellison does every day.
Touche.
That definitely looks to be the "real" Bob- but it is a moot point now.
My biggest concern is that STB won't make enough to justify ST4.
Also can't believe the release date in China is October- wow.......
My biggest concern is that STB won't make enough to justify ST4.
Also can't believe the release date in China is October- wow.......
Two different companies now.
I'm aware of that. I meant in that it shows that Star Trek still has a great deal of interest and can be financially viable, even if Beyond doesn't make much profit.
Worst case is I see Paramount rebooting it again in a few years but I don't think it'll come to that yet.
Worst case is I see Paramount rebooting it again in a few years but I don't think it'll come to that yet.
The early financial success of Star Trek Discovery, reported by those with a self-interest in reporting good news, doesn't mean squat. Stipulating your premise, it will only mean squat to Paramount if the CBS viewing numbers actually match and greatly exceed the pre-show financial numbers. Investors don't mean ticket sales - consumers do.
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