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River's Journal--Chronicling Her Adventures With The Doctor

Wow this thread has quickly gone way far off the mark and into all kinds of crazy! I suppose though that's the very nature of River though and since we don't know very much about her past except what has been told we'll speculate until we're actually told!
 
The weird sad thing is that the Doctor has already seen River Song die the first time she meets him.

Well, it was the first time HE meets HER. ;)

Well, the first time he meets her he sees her die.

The first time she meets him - whenever that turns out to be - he's already seen her die.

D'oh! I misread your post.

Stupid Moffat, with his wibbly-wobbly storyline... :o
 
Still, I am very curious to see the first time SHE meets HIM.

He'll likely really enjoy having the tables turned. I bet he'd really mess with her, and ikely show off a lot.

I'd think it's got to be kind of sad.

You know, here's a weird and interesting thing - the Doctor probably falls in love with River before the first time she meets him, based on his adventures with her that have already occurred for him but that she doesn't yet know about.

What Kelso said about Moffat's wibley-wombley.
 
Hmm, I wonder if River has any knowledge of the Doctor's time as Merlin (whenever that was/will be), or the Valeyard?
 
I'd imagine the Doctor's time as Merlin came between the end of Survival and before the TVM. Which is why the Seventh Doctor was recognised as such.
 
I've not seen the serial, but the Doctor Who wiki specifically says the Doctor was recognized by everything but his face. Plus, I believe Merlin is supposed to have red hair.

Incidentally, who else is looking forward to another season or two, when there's enough River Song episodes to do a marathon of episodes in the order she experienced them?
 
I've not seen the serial, but the Doctor Who wiki specifically says the Doctor was recognized by everything but his face. Plus, I believe Merlin is supposed to have red hair.

Incidentally, who else is looking forward to another season or two, when there's enough River Song episodes to do a marathon of episodes in the order she experienced them?
I watched Battlefield a few months back. From what I remember, they seemed to recognise him as him. But then, the wiki's probably right.

As for River Song, I'm not sure it'll remain convincing if they keep bringing her back. Alex Kingston already looks noticeably older than she did in Silence/Forest.
 
Do you think? I didn't notice much difference and she is playing the character younger which helps. Irrespective there is a limit to how long she can go on for, although if this River is younger than any other River we're going to see then it just relies on forgetting Silence in the Library River!
 
I watched Battlefield a few months back. From what I remember, they seemed to recognise him as him. But then, the wiki's probably right.

Ancelyn, the knight from the other universe, says that he recognises the Seventh Doctor as Merlin not by his physical form, but by his manner.
 
Do you think? I didn't notice much difference and she is playing the character younger which helps. Irrespective there is a limit to how long she can go on for, although if this River is younger than any other River we're going to see then it just relies on forgetting Silence in the Library River!

Or just recast her as the character gets younger, and the actress doesn't? They would eventually have to, anyway, just by the backwards nature of the storyline...
 
Meh. I'd rather see her get old than lose Alex Kingston. Anyways, it's the 51st century... she could be a 91 year old woman who just came back from gettng a really good face-lift (or that thing that Doc Brown had done in BTTFII)
 
You guys are really overcomplicating it, I think. There's no reason to doubt the facts that we already know.

She is the Doctor's wife and they're married sometime in the future. One of her many (and enduring) quirks is that she likes to tease him, taking advantage of the fact that their relationship -- much like the Time Traveler's Wife -- is not linear. She knows all kinds of things about him that he doesn't know, and she knows that he won't try to get the information out of her in order to avoid mucking everything up. So why wouldn't she have a little fun with that, and why wouldn't he be mock-annoyed by it all? My wife does similar things to me when she knows something I don't, for crying out loud. She also has the strong personality and intelligence that the Doctor would find attractive (not to mention being human; a race he is all but obsessed with to begin with), and all of these encounters with her prior to their first meeting from her perspective is all building up to their relationship. At which point the Doctor will have the upper hand in the teasing. That's probably why she's having so much fun with it now.

As for the mysterious comment about her shady past? Uhm, hello. She's clearly an Indiana Jones type of character. Grave robbing and the like are probably a regular part of her daily life. And hell, when we first see her in this episode she's committing a crime. The question is what she did that the Bishop would know about (and not mind enough to continue working with her), but which the Doctor would show concern over before he's come to know her or the circumstances properly?

I mean, even the Bishop seemed to be familiar enough with the Doctor. Clearly something happened, and it was something that left a bad taste in the Bishop's mouth (hence his "fly away in your little blue box while I deal with the mess you leave behind" comments), but not a bad enough taste as to lose all respect or even consider him a bad person.

What's more, the two times we've met her, she's been involved in things that are of both an archaelogical and save-the-world kind of affairs. Which fits in perfectly with the kind of woman the Doctor would fall for if you ask me.

That said, there's no reason to suspect that River is anything but who she says she is, let alone all these sinister ideas floating around in the thread. I think it would be more prudent to try and figure out the remaining pieces of the puzzle that exists rather than creating a completely different puzzle based on little to no facts whatsoever (ie, the Time Agency, being a con artist, being a Time Lady, etc.).
 
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You guys are really overcomplicating it, I think. There's no reason to doubt the facts that we already know.

Well blame Moffet then. He's the one who keeps dodging the 'is she his wife?' question with, "Oh its more complicated than that."
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Mysteries once solved are never as interesting. We could see the wedding and he'd still be giving that line if he was smart.
 
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