It's wide-spread usage seems to from a book about American empire building from 2004 - I can't find any usage of (beyond one as part of a longer sentence) it in any book I can access via google books or any academic database I have access to.
Rise Like Lions blurb
- Thread starter DarkHorizon
- Start date
It's wide-spread usage seems to from a book about American empire building from 2004 - I can't find any usage of (beyond one as part of a longer sentence) it in any book I can access via google books or any academic database I have access to.
^I found a use of it in a 1998 article: "America was now to learn the sorrows of empire along with its joys." But yeah, most of the references seem to be post-2004.
Thanks for the confirmation that is what I am planning on doing
JOOC, does anybody know when, chronologically, this novel is suposed to be set in relation to the rest of the MU stories we've been given?
Presumably, sometime after them. Since it's the big finish for all of it.
Most of the book takes place in 2378, but parts of it occur later. All of it is set post-"For Want of a Nail" (my story in the Shards and Shadows anthology). It will be the farthest-forward installment in the current MU continuity.
For what I recall, author David Mack has indicated that he got the title from the book The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic by Chalmers A. Johnson (which can be found here), which argues that in the wake of the end of the Cold War and the 9/11 attacks, the Defense Department has become the dominant political actor in the U.S. government and that the U.S.'s system of military bases and free-trade globalization constitute a new form of imperialism.
^ If memory serves, there are no appearances by the MU counterparts of the SCE characters in Rise Like Lions. I was busy enough tying off all the loose ends from Shards and Shadows and The Sorrows of Empire that I really didn't have time to introduce new characters to the mix.
did you manage to get in a post 2409 scene after?
No, we didn't go that far forward, chronologically. As I suspect you're inquiring re: the STO MU continuity, I can tell you it is utterly incompatible with what I've written in Rise Like Lions.
I suppose one can rationalize it away by saying, "Well, anything can happen." But the simple reality is that they made a series of creative choices to make things work for their game; I and the editors made different creative choices for the novels. The two directions are mutually incompatible.
That doesn't make either one right or wrong, or better or worse. They're just different extrapolations from the same source material, but influenced by different creative needs and objectives. I say, enjoy each one for what it is in its own medium.
I suppose one can rationalize it away by saying, "Well, anything can happen." But the simple reality is that they made a series of creative choices to make things work for their game; I and the editors made different creative choices for the novels. The two directions are mutually incompatible.
That doesn't make either one right or wrong, or better or worse. They're just different extrapolations from the same source material, but influenced by different creative needs and objectives. I say, enjoy each one for what it is in its own medium.
i don't care about the game, it's just i remember there was all that hoo-ha over the overzealous guy on membeta who reckoned that since STO took place after the latest books, its chronology trumped anything in the novels and therefore we were joking that you should write something in at the end set in 2450 or something where the Empire didn't exist basically just to shut him up....
Which is why we have Myriad Universes. Time can go one way in the novels, and another way in STO.
Was browsing through Voyages of the Imagination last night and seemingly Mr. Ward was the only contributor who thought of offering a Calhoun story.
