Riker vice a versa Picard

[Uptightgirl]

I wactched Defiant in which Tom Riker played by J.Frakes steals the defiant.He was excellent in that episode without Picard spoiling everything

It occurred to me that TNG could have been even more successful if Riker had been captain and Picard had played a role like Helmsman or Bridge Diplomat.

Riker had swagger and presence.His solid prsence especially with the beard made him commanding and decisive.

Also he was not bald.I find bald men in leading postions unrealistic as bald people get passed over for promotion and
do not fit in the foreground.

They can also suffer emotional problens due to baldness and can't get girls.I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

I want you to speculate how Riker as Captain would have improved it vastly and made it look less dated with Picard standing out like a sore thumb.Also hairlessness would have been solved in 24th century era.

 

[Michael]

Sorry, but I don't get what the outer appearance of a starship captain (or any person for that matter) has to do with his or her commanding abilities. So, could you explain further where this "bald men in leading positions are unrealistic" stuff comes from?

 

[Plum]

Uptightgirl said:
I wactched Defiant in which Tom Riker played by J.Frakes steals the defiant.He was excellent in that episode without Picard spoiling everything

It occurred to me that TNG could have been even more successful if Riker had been captain and Picard had played a role like Helmsman or Bridge Diplomat.

Riker had swagger and presence.His solid prsence especially with the beard made him commanding and decisive.

Also he was not bald.I find bald men in leading postions unrealistic as bald people get passed over for promotion and
do not fit in the foreground.

They can also suffer emotional problens due to baldness and can't get girls.I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

I want you to speculate how Riker as Captain would have improved it vastly and made it look less dated with Picard standing out like a sore thumb.Also hairlessness would have been solved in 24th century era.

Ok... I call bot.

 

[Luckyflux]

Sorry but I don't see it either. Riker may be 'cuter' than Picard, but thankfully that doesn't matter in 24th century Earth. Riker may have made a great captain, but Picard is the true numero uno.

 

[John Picard]

Uptightgirl said:
I wactched Defiant in which Tom Riker played by J.Frakes steals the defiant.He was excellent in that episode without Picard spoiling everything

It occurred to me that TNG could have been even more successful if Riker had been captain and Picard had played a role like Helmsman or Bridge Diplomat.

Riker had swagger and presence.His solid prsence especially with the beard made him commanding and decisive.

Riker was still green and needed to mature. Picard was a seasoned captain with excellent diplomatic skills, while Riker had a tendency to want to go off half-cocked. Picard was a bit too old to be a helmsman. Also, Riker did not get the beard until Season 3(?)

Also he was not bald.I find bald men in leading postions unrealistic as bald people get passed over for promotion and
do not fit in the foreground.

They can also suffer emotional problens due to baldness and can't get girls.I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

This is total BS. I have worked for and around bald men in different positions, one of whom was a prominent attorney at a law firm. Also, loads of women find bald men extremely sexy.

I want you to speculate how Riker as Captain would have improved it vastly and made it look less dated with Picard standing out like a sore thumb.Also hairlessness would have been solved in 24th century era.

I want you to learn how to spell and come up with a decently thought out topic that is not derogatory towards older, bald men.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Wasn't Sisko at his best when bald, too?

Heh, nice try. With Frakes in the lead, ratings would have sunk lower than an unwatched episode of Voyager.

 

[ladyheather69]

Um...what do you mean bald mean are not in positions of authority or get passed over for promotions? And what is this about not getting girls??

My husband has been bald for 15 years now, and he is a vice president of a company(only reason he isn't prez is cuz he doesn't own the majority of the company...yet). He is NOT a desk jockey either...he goes out and makes client contact..and is frakking AWESOME at it, which is why he is a veep. Not having hair or having hair isn't what gets you passed over. It is whether or not you are confident in yourself and your abilities.....

Um being bald is totally sexy too!

And as far as having Riker be the lead, nope. wouldn't work. He was too much like Kirk, and that wasn't what they were going for.

 

[Thrall]

Riker was never named People Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Frakes is a decent actor but he's not a series lead type of actor. He's a supporting player.

 

[Uptightgirl]

Jolly Jack Bauer said:
Frakes is a decent actor but he's not a series lead type of actor. He's a supporting player.

But you can say that all actors are supporting actors until they are cast as lead.I mean someone has to be lead actor.He was awesome in episodes in which he was unfettered by Picard.The "Defiant" episode and "For the uniform episode".

Example:- Marina Sirtis was awesome in that Romulan episode in which she was a Tal Shier officer.She exceeeded Picard in acting and screen Presence

Gates Mcfadden was awesome in which she was alone in the warp bubble episode showing her talents.It is possible Picard felt threatened by them and used his power to keep them in the background.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Uptightgirl said:
I find bald men in leading postions unrealistic as bald people get passed over for promotion and do not fit in the foreground.

I so totally agree: the way people look is the most important thing about them. Forget competence and skills! Appearance is everything!

Categorizing people is also great fun: in fact, I believe black people should stay in their place and women should be barefoot and pregnant. Isn't this a wonderful world?

I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

And I think the dumb gene should have been erased long time ago, but apparently it's still alive and kicking.

 

[shatastrophic]

The whole point of the baldness with Picard is that in the 24th century it doesn't matter if your bald or not. I remember when TNG first came out and there was a lot of talk on Stewart being bald, things said like "you mean in the 24th century there isn't a cure for baldness". Statements like this missed the whole point. Sure there is a cure for being bald, we've seen in every incarnation of Star Trek crew members being surgically altered to appear differently, or to be more specific in Voyager when seven of nine was fully separated from the borg. The doctor stated something to the effect of speeding up or altering her hair follicles to give her a more human appearance. The cure is there, however at this point in time humans have learned to go beyond phyisical prejudice. Hell i see news stories all the time concerning the pay differences between females and males, blacks vs whites etc. Star trek went on to prove that physical prejudice doesn't matter by giving us Sisko, they made this topic relevant with far beyond the stars. Then they gave us Janeway (whether you like her or not). It doesn't matter if you are bald or a woman. If you want an example of a bad ass bald man look no further than Ed Harris.
I do like Riker he is one of my favorites. His character was there to show that when Picard is dealing with something else, he can step in and TCB without Picard worrying if he will fuck things up. Shit in FC, they are now back in time and wondering just how bad the Borg have messed things up. They don't know if Cochrane is alive or dead, they don't know if the Phoenix is still flight worthy, they don't even know if they can repair what was damaged as far as the time line is concerned. Picard hears the voice of the Borg in his head and immediatly calls up to worf for the situation eventhough he has a pretty good idea already, and with all the problems going on in Montana what does he do, he looks at Riker and simply tells him to take charge down here without even flinching. That was the special dynamic concerning those 2, IMO i thought it was great and i'm glad they didn't screw with it. i could be wrong.

 

[M'Sharak]

Uptightgirl said:

I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

What would a bald man want with dye?

 

[JiNX-01]

Uptightgirl said:
I wactched Defiant in which Tom Riker played by J.Frakes steals the defiant.He was excellent in that episode without Picard spoiling everything

This is your best example of Riker's leadership skills?! I would have said "Best of Both Worlds." The guy left no doubt whatsoever that he was READY for The Big Chair.

It occurred to me that TNG could have been even more successful if Riker had been captain and Picard had played a role like Helmsman or Bridge Diplomat.

Helmsman? A seasoned officer with decades of service to Starfleet relegated to helmsman? Did you see "Tapestry"?

Riker had swagger and presence.His solid prsence especially with the beard made him commanding and decisive.

He also had a posture problem until the beard turned up. As for swagger and presence, maybe you'd prefer Kirk.

Also he was not bald.I find bald men in leading postions unrealistic as bald people get passed over for promotion and do not fit in the foreground.

You left out that bald men always play the bad guy!

They can also suffer emotional problens due to baldness and can't get girls.I wonder why the bald gene has not dyed out yet?

Hee. This is a good one. You know what my dad calls family reunions? A Gathering of the Eagles. And every one of his bald brothers is married with children (and some of them are bald and married with children).
Here's the reason the bald gene hasn't died out: It's passed on by women with hair to their sons.

I want you to speculate how Riker as Captain would have improved it vastly and made it look less dated with Picard standing out like a sore thumb.Also hairlessness would have been solved in 24th century era.

Hairlessness solved?! It's not a murder mystery.
And there are solutions in this century (maybe not superohmygod high tech, genetic engineering medical miracles, but there are solutions).

Now, having gotten all that off my chest...

Do I think that Riker could have improved the show had he been captain? Possibly. But I think that a different approach could have been taken as opposed to just dropping him into the job on day one.

Might have been an interesting experiment in Trek casting to have him start out as first officer for say the first 3-4 seasons. Picard gets nabbed by the Borg in BoBW, but they can't save him. Riker, who is now a more seasoned officer, retains his field promotion based on his performance during the crisis.

That would have given the writers a chance to take the show in fresh directions as they wrote for a new captain, and new crew structure...

 

[BrotherBenny]

Can a mod pleeeeaaase change the thread title so it is actually grammatically correct?

It should be Riker vs Picard, vice versa indicates an opposite to something, whereas this thread is about the differences between the two commanders, so it should be vs. It's driving me crazy.

 

[M'Sharak]

Xeris said:
Can a mod pleeeeaaase change the thread title so it is actually grammatically correct?

There are too many things wrong about this thread for a grammar adjustment to the title to help very much.

 

[sbk1234]

I often get into a good natured discussion with my students who tell me I should get a toupe'. However, when I ask them how a full head of hair will improve my life, they don't have an answer. I guess bald people in positions of leadership such as Winston Churchill, Geo. Patton, Sen. John Glenn, Dwight D. Eisenhower, to name but a few, just aren't that important.
It seems to me, Uptightgirl, your moniker is an apt one.

 

[captcalhoun]

i think Uptightgirl is due for her meds.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

both of you knock it off

 

[Uptightgirl]

Xeris said:
Can a mod pleeeeaaase change the thread title so it is actually grammatically correct?

It should be Riker vs Picard, vice versa indicates an opposite to something, whereas this thread is about the differences between the two commanders, so it should be vs. It's driving me crazy.

Sisko was not bald.He simpey shaved his head voluntarily as he wanted to look tough and it suited him.

Baldness on the head is unnatural.When you are making love you have nothing to run your fingers through.

If my boyfriend became bald I would dump him.

Bald people try to hide their lack of hair often use clever psychology to show lack of hair is not a impediment but deep down they long for the day when a cure for balness is invented.They often are depressed and need help from psychologists.

They oftern spend a fortune on lotions,potions and hair transplants.They often comb over the bald patch as shown in the commercial which then gets blown away by the wind. They try to hide the bald batch using wigs and toupees.

The latest trend is to transplant pubic hair skin onto their head.However you can tell from the texture of the hair that is is pubic hair and not head hair as the pubic hair is often curley and can't be combed.

Also it is unhygienic as pubic skin gives of a different smell then the head scalp skin.

No way would ANY man ever volunteer to lose his hair permanently in the future as that would be a deliberate act of handicapping of oneself.



Vice versa does not mean opposite.My Boyfriend says it means switching of B to A and A to B.
Vice versa means juxtapostion or transposition as in the film vice versa with Fred Savage in which his fathers mind got put in his son's and his sons into his father's.

I see no one has refuted my examples of other actors being occulted by Picards presence or eclipsed.My examples would augment my arguement and support the proposition of Riker being better.
I agree that after BOBW Picard should have been fired and replaced by Ricar who has charm and suavity with an easy going demeanor.