Okay. But I think it's an early page of the preview.
Rihannsu...yes or no?
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Okay. But I think it's an early page of the preview.
I remember part of the preview information on TNG, before it came out, where Picard was mentioned to be a very young fifties - the stated intent was that he was supposed to be in his fifties chronologically, thirties physiologically, and that was because of improved longevity - longer life and longer prime of life.
I remember reading while back when the Government were planning on increasing the age of retirement from 65 to I think somewhere around 68 > 70 that persons born after 1980 due to medical science could conceivably still be alive until the 22nd Century and still be as fit as a person in their 80s. Of course, I'm just waiting for a viable Pancreas transplant as my life expectancy I believe is a decade or so less than the national average.
Okey-dokey. I'm going to assert, ex cathedra mainly because I'm an arrogant sumbitch, the Real Story of Romulus & Remus vs. ch'Rihan & ch'Havran (Diane Duane's names of the Romulan homeworlds:
ch'Havran, the other more-or-less Class-M world colonized by the wandering Vulcan expatriates millennia ago, is not Remus. It is Romii, first referred to in TOS: "Balance of Terror" in the tactical diagram on the Enterprise viewscreen. The confusion stems from translation errors between frequently antagonistic cultures such as Earth/The Federation and Romulus.
Romii, BTW, was mentioned in KRAD's A Singular Destiny. Apparently it is the source of some delectable tree candy. It is very likely a planet in the same system as Romulus and Remus.
Alrighty, now, really let me have it.
ch'Havran, the other more-or-less Class-M world colonized by the wandering Vulcan expatriates millennia ago, is not Remus. It is Romii, first referred to in TOS: "Balance of Terror" in the tactical diagram on the Enterprise viewscreen. The confusion stems from translation errors between frequently antagonistic cultures such as Earth/The Federation and Romulus.
Romii, BTW, was mentioned in KRAD's A Singular Destiny. Apparently it is the source of some delectable tree candy. It is very likely a planet in the same system as Romulus and Remus.
Alrighty, now, really let me have it.
Alrighty, now, really let me have it.
Nah, no need to let you have it. I've always been suspicious. A little wriggle room permits many mysteries to co-exist behind The Neutral Zone.
If the Neutral Zone is a light-year across, then the "Balance of Terror" diagram would indicate that Romii is (at least) a light-year from Romulus, so it's not in the same system, while The Romulan Way clearly indicates that ch'Havran is right next to ch'Rihan.Okey-dokey. I'm going to assert, ex cathedra mainly because I'm an arrogant sumbitch, the Real Story of Romulus & Remus vs. ch'Rihan & ch'Havran (Diane Duane's names of the Romulan homeworlds:
ch'Havran, the other more-or-less Class-M world colonized by the wandering Vulcan expatriates millennia ago, is not Remus. It is Romii, first referred to in TOS: "Balance of Terror" in the tactical diagram on the Enterprise viewscreen. The confusion stems from translation errors between frequently antagonistic cultures such as Earth/The Federation and Romulus.
Romii, BTW, was mentioned in KRAD's A Singular Destiny. Apparently it is the source of some delectable tree candy. It is very likely a planet in the same system as Romulus and Remus.
Alrighty, now, really let me have it.
There, you've had it.
If the Neutral Zone is a light-year across, then the "Balance of Terror" diagram would indicate that Romii is (at least) a light-year from Romulus, so it's not in the same system, while The Romulan Way clearly indicates that ch'Havran is right next to ch'Rihan.Okey-dokey. I'm going to assert, ex cathedra mainly because I'm an arrogant sumbitch, the Real Story of Romulus & Remus vs. ch'Rihan & ch'Havran (Diane Duane's names of the Romulan homeworlds:
ch'Havran, the other more-or-less Class-M world colonized by the wandering Vulcan expatriates millennia ago, is not Remus. It is Romii, first referred to in TOS: "Balance of Terror" in the tactical diagram on the Enterprise viewscreen. The confusion stems from translation errors between frequently antagonistic cultures such as Earth/The Federation and Romulus.
Romii, BTW, was mentioned in KRAD's A Singular Destiny. Apparently it is the source of some delectable tree candy. It is very likely a planet in the same system as Romulus and Remus.
Alrighty, now, really let me have it.
There, you've had it.
Hmmm...I hadn't considered that.
OTOH, let's assume for a moment that I'm right, and Romii/ch'Havran is in the same system as Romulus. If the BOT diagram is to that scale (and I think you're right about that) how could you show Romii/ch'Havran in that same system without it overlapping? As I recall, the two worlds looked adjacent to either other on the diagram.
You can see the map here: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Romulan_Neutral_Zone_map.jpg
If you wanted to indicate they were in the same system, you could certainly put them closer together than that. But at that scale, you wouldn't be showing individual planets anyway.
If you wanted to indicate they were in the same system, you could certainly put them closer together than that. But at that scale, you wouldn't be showing individual planets anyway.
Isn't there a middle ground? If you're going to postulate another inhabited planet in Romulus's home system besides Romulus and Remus, it's easy enough to do so without calling it Romii.
For what it's worth, the Star Trek Maps from 1980 show Romulus and Romii being about 4.25 light years apart (according to the coordinates given in the booklet that came with the maps sheets). So, going by this publication at least, the you Romulus (and Remus) in one system, and Romii as another world/system in the Romulan Empire.
Mental note: At some point during the work on the Concordance, try and find out from Dorothy Fontana what the Romulan Commander's name was and what happened to her afterward....
I want to hear Fontana's take on it. She created the character, I'll take her word on it over the various authors.
And she brought him back, so it's a wash.
DC Fontana was a regular at the big ST conventions of the 70s. Supposedly she was on the infamous worldbuilding panel that suggested "Xtmprszntwlfd" as Spock's unpronouncible family name.
I'm sure if the Female Romulan Commander had a name in reserve - and a planned future - DC would have told us by now.
A TV writer in the 1960s having advance plans for the fate of a one-shot guest star following the events of the episode? Unlikely. That's just not the way they thought back then.
However, if you want to see Fontana's modern thoughts on what happened to the Commander after the episode, check out IDW's Year Four: The Enterprise Experiment.
However, if you want to see Fontana's modern thoughts on what happened to the Commander after the episode, check out IDW's Year Four: The Enterprise Experiment.
^ That's probably the way to go. It's not so much a matter of what she thought at the time, since it's likely she didn't have a name in mind; the gag is that we don't hear it, so no need to actually come up with one.
But, like Spock's family name, which she cooked up in a more polished form for her novel "Vulcan's Glory" ("Spock, son of Sarek of the House of Surak, in the Noble Clan Telek-sen-Deen" or something damn close to that; imagine it in Vulcan and you can figure out how unpronounceable it is to the human tongue), I'd give her current thoughts on the matter more weight than the aforementioned authors and their contradictory ideas.
But, like Spock's family name, which she cooked up in a more polished form for her novel "Vulcan's Glory" ("Spock, son of Sarek of the House of Surak, in the Noble Clan Telek-sen-Deen" or something damn close to that; imagine it in Vulcan and you can figure out how unpronounceable it is to the human tongue), I'd give her current thoughts on the matter more weight than the aforementioned authors and their contradictory ideas.
Yes, because the way to solve a problem of contradictory ideas from several authors is to get another contradictory idea from another author.
And I don't see what the big deal is. Several novels have given several versions of what happened. So what?
The difference is she created the character. She's got dibs on setting up background info.
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