Enjoy.
As for me, I can't wait for summer to come back again. I hate winter. You know the saying, don't you? All I want for Christmas … is June LOL!
Rewatching Voyager
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Enjoy.
As for me, I can't wait for summer to come back again. I hate winter. You know the saying, don't you? All I want for Christmas … is June LOL!
And what about Tuvok and Neelix? Had they no legitimacy to live as individuals, too?
-> the creation itself of Tuvix was an unfortunate combination of circonstances due to a malfunction of energy transfer which resulted of a DNA's fusion of Tuvok and Neelix.
Anyway, it was a battle Janeway could not win at the end, no matter her choice, sacrificing Tuvok and Neelix to keep Tuvix or sacrificing Tuvix to bring back Tuvok and Neelix...
Plus if you think that Janeway committed a killing with Tuvix, let me remind you that
1) the rest of the senior crew has never tried to intervene in order to stop/to make their Captain change her mind, and that despite the pleas/shouts of Tuvix on the Bridge. No, they have prefered, from Chakotay to Tom not forgetting Harry, to look down.
Yesn as the Captain, she certainly will have to explain once back on Earth, even if I think that in the end, as well her colleagues as her superiors will understand her decision in the view of the situation she has faced.
2) Chakotay's decision to abandon J/P's very young offsprings on this planet was a death sentence for them.
3) our good Doctor, who has shown a so deep reluctance to do the "lethal" injection to Tuvix but has gotten no problem to delete Crell Moset, a Cardassian hologram he had created intentionally to save Torres, once he was no more needed/welcome?! Or when he choosed to save Harry Kim, letting another enseign die instead, while both were in a desesperate state.
What I mean to say is that sometimes to protect those we love, we have to make choices. And some of them are terrible The most difficult is to assume them and face their consequences.
As I won't have time to do it later, let me wish all, a Merry Christmas. Have some fun with your families!! 
But under Federation Law he was a sentient lifeform and as such entitled to all the rights granted by the Federation. He can't be held responsible for how he came to be.
Would Janeway have made the same decision if it was two Ensigns instead of two of her friends?
I don't think she would have made the same decision.
In my opinion, Tuvok and Neelix died in line of duty, and Tuvix was an innocent person who was sentenced to dead without a trial.
I think so. She never felt Tuvix (or whoever the ensigns became) was anything but an amalgam of 2 peoples and if the chance to separate was possible she’d take it.
For years I would be the first to tell you voyager was my least like of all the Trek Series. The whole “getting home” theme I was never a fan, too many reset buttons. However rewatching TNG’s first season vs Voyagers there is no comparison , voyager is better written and acted. Of course it did have hundreds of hours of Trek before it that TNG did not. But I’m giving it new props on its rewatch
and VOY seasons 3-6 had the best episodes as well as trying to recapture some TOS spirit, as well as occasional but unexpected character drama ("Tuvix", which I've always been fond of, and being in season 2 also helped as it showed the show was daring to do bigger things), and being action/adventure instead of the preachy soap TNG became for its final three years.
This is one of the more dramatic episodes of Voyager - Jeri Ryan shines. I think this is a good one because our borg lady is confronted with the consequences of her actions as a borg drone. I also like the fact that the different personality types are not all scary; some of them are actually quite humourous.
But really, this should be natural since Voyager simply couldn't exist without humour and I love how humour forms an integral part of even the darkest episodes. Here, apart from the Ferengi scene, my two favourite moments are when B'Elana says "Does this qualify as our second date?" and more importantly the Doctor's line to Tuvok when he says "With all of these new personalities floating around, it's a shame we can't find one for you."
BTW, although technically speaking this is not my favourite VOY episode, it is very similar to my favourite SG-1 episode LIFEBOAT. Whenever I watch StarGate, I always think that perhaps this episode prompted LIFEBOAT? In any case, although VOY is my fav show, I prefer LIFEBOAT in this case.
Watching Seven play Naomi’s little kidpal is fantastic, not withstanding Scarlett Pomers’ performance as well. Ryan proves herself to have range, again, and redeems the stoic Seven personality that some have railed upon.
I would have loved to see more of it. It was over in a flash.
[QUOTE="tomalak301, post: 11739820, member: 1958
Flesh and Blood
I think of all the made for tv movies Voyager had, this one is up there as a favorite. We really did have some great work here, and I loved revisiting Janeway's decision to give the Hirogen holographic technology and the consequences of that act. What this episode does right is put The Doctor in a very interesting position, where he gets shut down by Chakotay and then Janeway later on because Janeway didn't trust the holograms. I can understand his plight, and is want to help his own people. Unfortunately where the episode almost loses me (But doesn't because it's a great episode) is when Iden has a 180 turn into megalomania in almost a blink of an eye. I would have really liked to see the hologram issue be taken all the way as if they were looking for a home and everything Iden said was true. It would have made the Doctor more sympathetic to the cause and we would end the episode kind of wondering what would happen to them. Still, this was a very interesting episode about rights and evolving beyond what you were capable of, holograph or flesh and blood.[/QUOTE]
Iden: “You have my word.”
Red Alert. He might even say, “Trust me.”, for all I care.
His reveal is the crux of this episode, for me. We’ve all known the type. People will lie to you with a straight face. To paraphrase from a mob movie that someone here will know,
“The most important thing is sincerity. Once you’ve learned to fake that, you’ve got it MADE.”
The good guys don’t win much of anything, but...
It’s a great episode, especially because the bad guy loses.
Flesh and Blood
I think of all the made for tv movies Voyager had, this one is up there as a favorite. We really did have some great work here, and I loved revisiting Janeway's decision to give the Hirogen holographic technology and the consequences of that act. What this episode does right is put The Doctor in a very interesting position, where he gets shut down by Chakotay and then Janeway later on because Janeway didn't trust the holograms. I can understand his plight, and is want to help his own people. Unfortunately where the episode almost loses me (But doesn't because it's a great episode) is when Iden has a 180 turn into megalomania in almost a blink of an eye. I would have really liked to see the hologram issue be taken all the way as if they were looking for a home and everything Iden said was true. It would have made the Doctor more sympathetic to the cause and we would end the episode kind of wondering what would happen to them. Still, this was a very interesting episode about rights and evolving beyond what you were capable of, holograph or flesh and blood.[/QUOTE]
Iden: “You have my word.”
Red Alert. He might even say, “Trust me.”, for all I care.
His reveal is the crux of this episode, for me. We’ve all known the type. People will lie to you with a straight face. To paraphrase from a mob movie that someone here will know,
“The most important thing is sincerity. Once you’ve learned to fake that, you’ve got it MADE.”
The good guys don’t win much of anything, but...
It’s a great episode, especially because the bad guy loses.
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