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Rewatching Voyager

On that subject, I don't see how Tom could get the finer details of Tuvok's wife and not the size of her ears which seems a lot simpler in comparison. Or did he do it on purpose?
It's possible he did it on purpose, he does enjoy teasing him. Most likely though he just told the computer to recreate her based on the photographs and didn't actually do the programming himself.
 
I've been on a bit of a voyager binge lately and I'm trying to finish season 5. I'm also thinking about maybe cutting back and maybe not talking about every episode. For example there isn't much to say about Juggernaut, other than it felt like a retelling of blood fever. I also think the Malon are the worst species Voyager conceived so there isn't much there. I did like the zombie atmosphere of the freighter.

Think Think


This was a very interesting episode. Jason Alexander was a very interesting guest character and I liked the concept of the think tank. We also got a janewayism with the whole outthink the think tank line. I think what I liked the most about this episode was Janeway's ruse, which reminded me of Counterpoint. I also liked Seven's role in the episode and refusing to go with the tank.
 
The next two episodes are Voyager with a lot of heart.

Someone to Watch Over Me

This episode is delightful. In fact, one of my favorite and most underrated episodes of any series is the DS9 episode In the Cards, because it was a comedy with a lot of heart. That's how I define Someone to Watch Over Me. This was a hilarious episode that was built upon it's genuine heart and trust for it's characters. The stuff between The Doctor and Seven are what makes this episode what it is. I think this might be Seven's best episode because it allowed Annika to come out of all that Borg hardware and it makes me sad that the writers didn't build on this development. I mean take the scene in Sandrines (I forgot this holodeck program came back) after the date from hell. That was a terrible date, but just that conversation between Doc and Seven made that scene worth it because it was Seven finally breaking out of her shell. It also helped to enhance the scene later on in the Mess Hall. I mean her toast was the most delightful thing you probably would ever hear Seven of Nine say. Also, going back to the Sandrines scene, man did she look great. Jeri Ryan always looks amazing but here it might have been the blue dress and the hair that made me just smile. One last thing about this storyline, the You Are My Sunshine scene is one of the most beautiful moments in the franchise. I've been talking in the thread about how Voyager recieves a lot of criticism, and I think if Voyager's only contribution to the franchise was the You are My Sunshine scene (It's not, but let's just say it is), it makes the series worth it.

The other storyline was just a lot of fun. It reminded me a little bit of TNG's Liasons, but I thought Voyager did it better. Loved the drunk ambassador.

11:59

I know people call this episode boring, but I absolutely adore it. I actually think this is a much more comfortable version of The Inner Light if you think about it. While that episode was about a memory forced, this episode was about a Memory being done on reflection. We get to know Shannon and Henry and Jason and I'm rooting for them to be successful. Yes, they conceded to closing the shop, but what they gain is a whole lot more.

I think the thing I love about this episode though was it's strong message of there's no time like the present. We see Henry hold stedfast to the past, and we see Janeway have this belief that Shannon was this hero figure. Well, when Janeway finds out Shannon wasn't a hero, she becomes disappointed, almost throwing away the picture. It was the crew that reminded her though that it was the past that made her the way she was today, and that she should embrace that. The scene at the end was beautiful because it was the Voyager family spending time together enjoying each other's company and reflecting on how the past shaped them today.

I remember when this episode aired, which was in 1999 as we were just about to filp to the year 2000. People were afraid of the new millennium, the Y2K bug, and what life might have to offer. Basically, they were afraid of change, and this episode comes along and says yes Change is a scary thing but it's inevitable and you need to be flexible with it. You need to embrace it. People have said this episode is not Star Trek. Well Star Trek to me is a social commentary on our lives, and striving to build a better future. This episode did both and for Nostalgic reasons, that's why I love it. Yeah there's no ship battles or technobabble. What there is though is a strong character show focusing on what Voyager does best, Family.
 
Think Think

This was a very interesting episode. Jason Alexander was a very interesting guest character and I liked the concept of the think tank. We also got a janewayism with the whole outthink the think tank line. I think what I liked the most about this episode was Janeway's ruse, which reminded me of Counterpoint. I also liked Seven's role in the episode and refusing to go with the tank.
Think Think? That's an episode I've never seen before ... :biggrin: THINK TANK, however, was a very good one. Seven's sentence at the end - "Acquiring knowledge is a worthy objective, but its pursuit has obviously not elevated you " - was spot-on and surprise, surprise, here we have an episode in which Janeway and Seven are in agreement. It seems that Seven does learn things form Janeway time and again and as the show goes on, she can identify with what Janeway has taught her more and more. This will be even more apparent in the forthcoming EQUINOX story.
Of course, the best one liner, as always, comes from our beloved Captain:
KURROS: A minor problem.
JANEWAY: Oh, I'm sure you'll find a solution. Just give it some thought. :lol:

Someone to Watch Over Me

This episode is delightful. In fact, one of my favorite and most underrated episodes of any series is the DS9 episode In the Cards, because it was a comedy with a lot of heart. That's how I define Someone to Watch Over Me. This was a hilarious episode that was built upon it's genuine heart and trust for it's characters. The stuff between The Doctor and Seven are what makes this episode what it is. I think this might be Seven's best episode because it allowed Annika to come out of all that Borg hardware and it makes me sad that the writers didn't build on this development. I mean take the scene in Sandrines (I forgot this holodeck program came back) after the date from hell. That was a terrible date, but just that conversation between Doc and Seven made that scene worth it because it was Seven finally breaking out of her shell. It also helped to enhance the scene later on in the Mess Hall. I mean her toast was the most delightful thing you probably would ever hear Seven of Nine say. Also, going back to the Sandrines scene, man did she look great. Jeri Ryan always looks amazing but here it might have been the blue dress and the hair that made me just smile. One last thing about this storyline, the You Are My Sunshine scene is one of the most beautiful moments in the franchise. I've been talking in the thread about how Voyager recieves a lot of criticism, and I think if Voyager's only contribution to the franchise was the You are My Sunshine scene (It's not, but let's just say it is), it makes the series worth it.

The other storyline was just a lot of fun. It reminded me a little bit of TNG's Liasons, but I thought Voyager did it better. Loved the drunk ambassador.

As far as I remember, this was Jeri Ryan's favourite episode. She once said she liked episodes in which Seven discovered something about herself. Here are two wallpapers for this one:
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BTW, for me this episode was as much about the Doctor as about Seven. When he confesses his love to her in RENAISSANCE MAN, it might come as a surprise to Seven but it sure as hell isn't surprising for the viewer.

11:59

I know people call this episode boring, but I absolutely adore it. I actually think this is a much more comfortable version of The Inner Light if you think about it. While that episode was about a memory forced, this episode was about a Memory being done on reflection. We get to know Shannon and Henry and Jason and I'm rooting for them to be successful. Yes, they conceded to closing the shop, but what they gain is a whole lot more.

I think the thing I love about this episode though was it's strong message of there's no time like the present. We see Henry hold stedfast to the past, and we see Janeway have this belief that Shannon was this hero figure. Well, when Janeway finds out Shannon wasn't a hero, she becomes disappointed, almost throwing away the picture. It was the crew that reminded her though that it was the past that made her the way she was today, and that she should embrace that. The scene at the end was beautiful because it was the Voyager family spending time together enjoying each other's company and reflecting on how the past shaped them today.

I remember when this episode aired, which was in 1999 as we were just about to filp to the year 2000. People were afraid of the new millennium, the Y2K bug, and what life might have to offer. Basically, they were afraid of change, and this episode comes along and says yes Change is a scary thing but it's inevitable and you need to be flexible with it. You need to embrace it. People have said this episode is not Star Trek. Well Star Trek to me is a social commentary on our lives, and striving to build a better future. This episode did both and for Nostalgic reasons, that's why I love it. Yeah there's no ship battles or technobabble. What there is though is a strong character show focusing on what Voyager does best, Family.

I remember not liking this episode too much when I first saw it but with every rewatch, I became more and more fond of it. On the surface, not much happens but this episode is actually the epitome of Voyager: this show is about a family whose members care for each other - no matter what the circumstances. That family photo at the end says it all. It seems that Janeway's great-great-grand-whatever-mother considered family the most important thing in her life. And although biologically, Janeway doesn't have one, she has grown so fond of these people who constitute her crew that she can only think of them as members of her family. It's difficult for me to picture Janeway as a housewife and a mother. Not because she's not cut out for being either but rather because she is already a mother to her crew.
 
The Disease-An official reprimand will follow him forever and will be considered when it comes to promotion if they ever go back to the Alpha Quadrant. I could understand the Federation having a regulation like that when it came to NEW species they had just contacted but other species in general? Did they make up that rule just for Captain Kirk? What about all the mixed species individuals running around? Spock, Troi...B'Elanna?

Course Oblivion. I really liked that but I image the 'real' wedding of Tom and B'Elanna a bit differently. ;)

The Fight...I don't mind this one so much. Don't hate it, don't love it. I did think the 'crazy' gene was a bit much, though. They could have just had the aliens happen upon Chakotay first. No need to make him magic.

It was fun to see Jason Alexander in Think Tank and to find out that the Vidians were finally free of the Phage. I hope a novel writer somewhere revisits them. I 'think' there was a mention somewhere they now had to deal with the fallout from all those centuries of harvesting organs from other species. It was payback time.

Someone to Watch over Me is great. The scene between Seven and B'Elanna, in the beginning, is a classic. To me, this is where we see McNeil come into his own as a director. It's no wonder that he started getting calls to direct post-Voyager and I'm glad he (and Dawson) were able to turn their experiences into a second career.

I'm going to have to watch 11:59 again. I don't remember much about it. I am the family historian and it's amusing to hear relatives recount outlandish stories that turned out to be only half truth. One cousin published a history of our grandfather's family that was made up out of thin air. No, we are not descended from royalty. The most famous people we are descended are not royalty but from some folk at Plymouth Colony. We are Native American on one side which is something some people want to have in their family for some reason... but that wasn't some buried family secret. I can relate to the whole "your family wasn't who you thought it was' scenario.
 
I finished Season 5 tonight, and like last night, there will be an episode I won't talk about, Warhead. The only thing I will say about this episode is it felt like a cross between Prototype and Darkling. Also, the use of Seven's nanoprobes to solve issues feels repetitive.

Relativity

This episode is a lot of fun. Always nice to see Voyager have fun with time travel, and they were able to here, with the return of Braxton. Also, here we have another look at 7 of 9 in a different uniform, which is the Starfleet uniform. Granted, she isn't technically a Starfleet officer, but I really wished (As I did with Someone to watch Over Me) that Seven would have been allowed to be Annika again. Anyway, as for the episode, we also got to see a Voyager origin story of sorts and it was fun to go back. However, isn't there a contradiction in terms of activating the EMH. According to Projections, the EMH was activated during the Caretaker incident. In this episode, Janeway activates him at the Utopia Planitia shipyard. It's kind of like 11:59 where Janeway remembers O'donnell but in Future's End, she had no recollection of any of her ansestors. More fun with continuity I suppose. Still, when you do 174 episodes, it's hard to remember everything so these kind of issues really don't bother me as it does with some others. Still, I enjoy this episode a great deal and I love the ending where they do get Janeway involved. I had the same headache she had. :D

Equinox

There's more good than bad in these episodes but I will say the bad first. What is it with season finales and premieres where Chakotay and Janeway are up in arms against each other? Scorpion, they have a disagreement. Night, they have somewhat of a disagreement. Here, they are basically at opposite ends of the coin, and Chakotay really comes out as the logical one. Talking about episodes that are repetitive, this feels like a repetitive troupe as well.

Now with the good, which is basically everything else. People say the Equinox is what Voyager should have been, a captain holding on to principles until his ship is crippled and his crew are starving. I really do wonder sometimes what kind of series Voyager would have been had it been Equinox. I don't think it would be Battlestar Galactica, nor do I want it to be because the problem I had with BSG was everyone hated each other. I think you can do an Equinox type series without having the crew hate each other and the Equinox crew kind of showed that. We get them calling each other on a first name basis, they are standing up for each other, and they do believe the ends justify the means in order to get out of the Delta Quadrant.

I really do like the juxtaposition between the two crews here. Janeway has her moral high ground, until it gets personal and then she goes off. I'm not a fan of the torture scene because I actually think it was a glorified scene just to get Chakotay to step in. I don't know if I sound contradictory here or not, but I preferred the Archer scene in Anamoly because we actually got to see Archer face those consequences somewhat in the same episode, but much later in the season where they were the ones stealing. Here, it's all a personal vendetta, and I wish Janeway would have faced some kind of consequence some time in the season, if not here. Still, we see Voyager as the moral high ground and the Equinox as desperate and it's really a nice tug of war happening.

I also really liked the scenes with the Doctor and Seven on the equinox. If You Are My Sunshine was one of the most beautiful scenes on Voyager, Oh My Darling was one of the most uncomfortable. I also liked the little scene at the end where there is still a spark between the two. Man what could have been had Annika been allowed to resurface. I love Seven of Nine, but just think having Seven be more human the further she was from the Borg and letting Jeri Ryan somewhat act like Jeri Ryan. It would have been something. :(

I love these two episodes, even though they aren't my favorite finale/premeire. It's still one of Voyager's best offerings.

Season 5 was a very interesting season. I would say my top 5 this year are the following:

Someone to Watch Over Me
Timeless
11:59
Equinox I
Counterpoint

Now we get into Season 6 and it's been years since I've seen this season. I remember a lot of interesting episodes this year and I can't wait to dig deeper into it. We only have 50 more episodes to go in the series and then I either do a rewatch of Battlestar Galactica or Deep Space Nine.
 
I finished Season 5 tonight, and like last night, there will be an episode I won't talk about, Warhead. The only thing I will say about this episode is it felt like a cross between Prototype and Darkling. Also, the use of Seven's nanoprobes to solve issues feels repetitive.

Relativity

This episode is a lot of fun. Always nice to see Voyager have fun with time travel, and they were able to here, with the return of Braxton. Also, here we have another look at 7 of 9 in a different uniform, which is the Starfleet uniform. Granted, she isn't technically a Starfleet officer, but I really wished (As I did with Someone to watch Over Me) that Seven would have been allowed to be Annika again. Anyway, as for the episode, we also got to see a Voyager origin story of sorts and it was fun to go back. However, isn't there a contradiction in terms of activating the EMH. According to Projections, the EMH was activated during the Caretaker incident. In this episode, Janeway activates him at the Utopia Planitia shipyard. It's kind of like 11:59 where Janeway remembers O'donnell but in Future's End, she had no recollection of any of her ansestors. More fun with continuity I suppose. Still, when you do 174 episodes, it's hard to remember everything so these kind of issues really don't bother me as it does with some others. Still, I enjoy this episode a great deal and I love the ending where they do get Janeway involved. I had the same headache she had. :D

Equinox

There's more good than bad in these episodes but I will say the bad first. What is it with season finales and premieres where Chakotay and Janeway are up in arms against each other? Scorpion, they have a disagreement. Night, they have somewhat of a disagreement. Here, they are basically at opposite ends of the coin, and Chakotay really comes out as the logical one. Talking about episodes that are repetitive, this feels like a repetitive troupe as well.

Now with the good, which is basically everything else. People say the Equinox is what Voyager should have been, a captain holding on to principles until his ship is crippled and his crew are starving. I really do wonder sometimes what kind of series Voyager would have been had it been Equinox. I don't think it would be Battlestar Galactica, nor do I want it to be because the problem I had with BSG was everyone hated each other. I think you can do an Equinox type series without having the crew hate each other and the Equinox crew kind of showed that. We get them calling each other on a first name basis, they are standing up for each other, and they do believe the ends justify the means in order to get out of the Delta Quadrant.

I really do like the juxtaposition between the two crews here. Janeway has her moral high ground, until it gets personal and then she goes off. I'm not a fan of the torture scene because I actually think it was a glorified scene just to get Chakotay to step in. I don't know if I sound contradictory here or not, but I preferred the Archer scene in Anamoly because we actually got to see Archer face those consequences somewhat in the same episode, but much later in the season where they were the ones stealing. Here, it's all a personal vendetta, and I wish Janeway would have faced some kind of consequence some time in the season, if not here. Still, we see Voyager as the moral high ground and the Equinox as desperate and it's really a nice tug of war happening.

I also really liked the scenes with the Doctor and Seven on the equinox. If You Are My Sunshine was one of the most beautiful scenes on Voyager, Oh My Darling was one of the most uncomfortable. I also liked the little scene at the end where there is still a spark between the two. Man what could have been had Annika been allowed to resurface. I love Seven of Nine, but just think having Seven be more human the further she was from the Borg and letting Jeri Ryan somewhat act like Jeri Ryan. It would have been something. :(

I love these two episodes, even though they aren't my favorite finale/premeire. It's still one of Voyager's best offerings.

Season 5 was a very interesting season. I would say my top 5 this year are the following:

Someone to Watch Over Me
Timeless
11:59
Equinox I
Counterpoint

Now we get into Season 6 and it's been years since I've seen this season. I remember a lot of interesting episodes this year and I can't wait to dig deeper into it. We only have 50 more episodes to go in the series and then I either do a rewatch of Battlestar Galactica or Deep Space Nine.
Season 6 has my favorite episode in it, I won't say which one until after you review it, but I'm curious to see what you will think about it. If you do end up rewatching BSG I would love to see your reviews on that too since I really love that show as well.
 
Warhead did seem like a bit of do over didn't it? There used to be arguments over which was better, Prototype, Dreadnought or Warhead. I think they all had their moments but we only needed to see this story...once.

The way people try to sync up the two different times for the Doctor's initial start up is the scene in Caretaker is his first actual Memory, meaning, that for whatever reason, he doesn't remember being activated in space dock.

The two episodes that frustrate me the most are in Season 6 but I think everyone already knows that. ;)
 
Warhead did seem like a bit of do over didn't it? There used to be arguments over which was better, Prototype, Dreadnought or Warhead. I think they all had their moments but we only needed to see this story...once.

The way people try to sync up the two different times for the Doctor's initial start up is the scene in Caretaker is his first actual Memory, meaning, that for whatever reason, he doesn't remember being activated in space dock.

The two episodes that frustrate me the most are in Season 6 but I think everyone already knows that. ;)
I rather like Warhead. It's much better than Prototype. The concept of Prototype I loved but it was really ruined by those cheesy robots. What a shame since it was directed by Johnathan Frakes.
 
Warhead did seem like a bit of do over didn't it? There used to be arguments over which was better, Prototype, Dreadnought or Warhead. I think they all had their moments but we only needed to see this story...once.

I liked learning about B'Elanna's past so my favorite was probably Dreadnought. Besides, they got to use the Cardassian sets, which are always nice.
 
Relativity

This episode is a lot of fun. Always nice to see Voyager have fun with time travel, and they were able to here, with the return of Braxton. Also, here we have another look at 7 of 9 in a different uniform, which is the Starfleet uniform. Granted, she isn't technically a Starfleet officer, but I really wished (As I did with Someone to watch Over Me) that Seven would have been allowed to be Annika again. Anyway, as for the episode, we also got to see a Voyager origin story of sorts and it was fun to go back. However, isn't there a contradiction in terms of activating the EMH. According to Projections, the EMH was activated during the Caretaker incident. In this episode, Janeway activates him at the Utopia Planitia shipyard. It's kind of like 11:59 where Janeway remembers O'donnell but in Future's End, she had no recollection of any of her ansestors. More fun with continuity I suppose. Still, when you do 174 episodes, it's hard to remember everything so these kind of issues really don't bother me as it does with some others. Still, I enjoy this episode a great deal and I love the ending where they do get Janeway involved. I had the same headache she had. :D

The majority of the people on these boards love nitpicking and I know that they have some kind of (conspiracy) theory as to why Owen Paris was played by two different actors. I wonder if they can also come up with a "clever" explanation for the two Braxtons.

For me, the most decisive moment of this episode is when Seven asks Janeway to trust her. That was ... simply elevating. I also love the table tennis scene with the ball up in the air. Also, it is kind of funny that Tom plays against B'Elanna. It is like a metaphor of their relationship.

Equinox

There's more good than bad in these episodes but I will say the bad first. What is it with season finales and premieres where Chakotay and Janeway are up in arms against each other?

And then people keep accusing Chakotay of how he is Janeway's lapdog. He isn't. And this kind of thing will continue in UNIMATRIX ZERO, which is a season finale for a change.
Needless to say, I love EQUINOX. This was the first VOY book I read long before I had even heard about the show and fell in love immediately. Remember that here in Hungary we hadn't even heard of Star Trek before 1999? Anyway, there are really a lot of things to love about this episode, the Doctor and Seven singing, Janeway being determined to catch Ransom (a suggestive name perhaps?), Lessing (sp?) calling Seven her guardian angel (or something similar), the scene with Marla (sp?) and Naomi Wildman in the canteen and of course, all the excitement that this story involves. The only thing I don't like is that we never see these characters again - but this is not this episode's fault.
I wonder to what extent do we feel Ronald D. Moore's (sp?) influence on the second part and the forthcoming two episodes?
We only have 50 more episodes to go in the series and then I either do a rewatch of Battlestar Galactica or Deep Space Nine.

Hey, tomalak ... this is pretty depressing to read. There are still 50 episodes, not only 50 eps. :D I enjoy this thread, I don't want you to start saying farewell to it already. I'm afraid I've never seen BSG and as you know, DS9 is not really my cup of tea (although way better than TNG - yawn - or the completely unwatchable ENT ...).
However, if you did a StarGate SG-1 or SG-A rewatch, I would gladly join you. I couldn't contribute much but I would at least read what you had to say about those.
And anyway, I was kind of secretly hoping that you'd start a new thread here on Voy once this one has come to an end. Like a VOY appreciation thread ... or something.
 
Hey, tomalak ... this is pretty depressing to read. There are still 50 episodes, not only 50 eps. :D I enjoy this thread, I don't want you to start saying farewell to it already. I'm afraid I've never seen BSG and as you know, DS9 is not really my cup of tea (although way better than TNG - yawn - or the completely unwatchable ENT ...).

And anyway, I was kind of secretly hoping that you'd start a new thread here on Voy once this one has come to an end. Like a VOY appreciation thread ... or something.

Can't agree with you about TNG. It was the series I grew up watching and it's my first love. TNG and DS9 and VOY was the most exciting time to be a fan. TNG I watched as a little kid, DS9 and VOY watched during my teen years even though I mainly remember DS9 from the DVDs.

Also don't worry. There's still a long way to go and I probably will still be around after this thread is done. I don't post much really here anymore but I was excited when people were participating in my thread if only for a little.
 
Can't agree with you about TNG. It was the series I grew up watching and it's my first love. TNG and DS9 and VOY was the most exciting time to be a fan. TNG I watched as a little kid, DS9 and VOY watched during my teen years even though I mainly remember DS9 from the DVDs.

Also don't worry. There's still a long way to go and I probably will still be around after this thread is done. I don't post much really here anymore but I was excited when people were participating in my thread if only for a little.
You don't have to agree on TNG with me, I know you (and many others) like it. For me, it's the second most boring series after ENT. I once saw most of the episodes (about 80%), then I got hold of the whole series, watched it till midway through and stopped somewhere in the middle of Season 4. I nearly fell asleep with each episode and Picard was so stiff I could hardly bear to watch him. Still, I might finish it one day if only to understand the world of Trek - and thus VOY - a little more.

People are still participating, @stardream and I keep posting on a regular basis and @Archimago isn't here because he has problems with his computer. Occasionally other people drop a line or two, too. I guess your thread is too Voyager-friendly for most people's taste, that's why the silence. (Just look at my thread, hardly anyone posts anything any more.)
 
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