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Rewatching STNG on TV, has it changed any perceptions?

RAMA

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Especially if you hadn't seen some or all of it in a long time? Now that it is in one, relatively available and easy to find place, have you rewatched it? Have you brought preconceptions to it? Has it surprised you? Did you dislike it more??

Some of my own thoughts: I DO in fact rewatch some of STNG from time to time, I have a handful of STNG seasons on DVD. But the Sci-Fi airings have inspired me to watch more of it.

First, broadcast visual quality. With Sci-Fi HD the picture still looks better even if the source is not HD. I recall when watching STNG in the relatively primitive 1990s that my cable picture was still often grainy, that it cut out at times (and there were only 70-80 channels). I've never seen STNG look this good ON TV!

The dated look claimed by some people from this board hasn't surfaced. STNG looks better after 20 years than TOS did at 10. By comparison, Star Wars had appeared. There is nothing that has come since that has radically altered the quality of FX. CGI has proliferated, but it existed at the time of STNG. They used the Quantel Harry for a lot of simple FX and they still look good to this day. Perhaps the only disappointing thing about STNG is the use of video. STNG MUST be "remastered" to look its best. Some of the FX do look a little low res and with a lack of detail, but for the most part, they convey the scenes well enough. I watched the ending scene for "Q Who" last night and there is a beautiful ILM stock shot of the E-D as it flies away after the Borg encounter. Amazing!

Its sad that STNG prodcuers did not nominate its own actors (per Emmy regs) for awards more often. If the Academy had seen a lot of these early episodes, Stewart and Spiner would have been shoe ins. I'd forgotten how good the acting was in general.

Last night, 4 episodes from what I considered to be STNG's weakest season: season 2 blew me away. My wife even rewatched Measure of a Man with me. So is season 2 better than I remembered and therfore all of STNG??? Maybe, we will see!
 
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I haven't seen TNG recently but I did re-watch a bunch of episodes from the second season ~10 years ago and, yes, I think the second season is better than people give it credit for.

Often, if not always, the second season is lumped in with the first. "The first two seasons" this or "the first two seasons" that. Except the S2 is as different from S1 as S3 is different from S2. Plus people either not liking Pulaski or thinking she didn't fit.

As for the datedness, I don't know that you're looking at it from the same angle as people who say it's dated. TNG, even at its best-looking, doesn't look like it's from 2008. It looks like it's from when it was made. That's not a criticism but an observation. The caveat is that the current trend is to make space series look as metallic and industrial as possible whereas TNG intentionally wanted to avoid that type of look which ends up making its style not look like the style of today. I don't think it has to do as much with "advances in visual effects".
 
Yeah I just rewatched or actually tried to rewatch a few episodes and found them excruciatingly dull. I had good memories of that show but watching it now I find the characters to be extremely bland. They're like emotionless pod people most of the time.
 
I too have been watching on SciFiHD, and let me chime in with this... WOW! This is still quality tv... You see the borg, and despite the "cost friendly" borg that they were, they are still scarier than the Voyager Borg.

Measure of a Man is still great tv.

Kudos to TNG aging wonderfully
 
I'm rewatching and realizing that despite my fond memories, EVERY episode is not gold.
 
While I agree it has aged much better than people give it credit for - some of the conversations unfortunately did not. Some of the dialogue really makes me cringe now :(and maybe it's because of Nemesis playing in the back of my mind, I get easily irritated when Data gets dialogue that would've fitted different characters much better, which I never noticed when I watched the show ten years ago :borg:

That said, I still dig TNG and while do avoid some episodes, many of them I still find entertaining and relevant and I have little doubt that I'll rewatch them again in ten years :)
 
I've rewatched the whole series recently.

I must say that most of my impressions are positive. In fact, there are episodes I didn't like when I first watched them which I like better now for different reasons.

OK, there are some episodes I thought were better when I first watched them too but those are very few.

TNG is a series of great quality when it comes to stroies, characters and I don't think it looks dated, at least not much.

My guess is that it will be on re-runs all over theworld in 15-20 years or more thanks to its good overall quality.
 
I'm rewatching and realizing that despite my fond memories, EVERY episode is not gold.

Certainly true. And just as with TOS, after 21 years, STNG has a certain nostalgia factor attached to it. But watching them again I am forced to re-appraise, and usually it goes well.

RAMA
 
I finished rewatching all 7 seasons about a month ago. I hadn't seen most episodes for many many years.

Let me tell you, when I began I feared TNG wouldn't have aged well but i was wrong.
It was for the most part great.The acting, the relationships all great.
The chemistry and friendship between Worf and Riker or Jordey and Data excellent and Wesley was not that annoying after all.

Worst part of the show were the Troi episodes.I really didn't like those. :)
 
The caveat is that the current trend is to make space series look as metallic and industrial as possible whereas TNG intentionally wanted to avoid that type of look which ends up making its style not look like the style of today. I don't think it has to do as much with "advances in visual effects".

I believe that this is because most shows are now trying to portray humanity in space in a more "realistic" fashion (and it seems quite a few of them stole their ideas from the "2001, and 2010" movies)

Starships as portrayed in TNG and series after it were portrayed as seriously tightly constructed space vessels. Nice, clean cut and tight, like something that would be designed by a race far advanced in space exploration.
 
I've been rewatching the show over the past few weeks (did the same with DS9) and I am enjoying the show so much once again and of course there are a few duds but so many wonderful episodes.

I just finished BOBW 2 parters.
 
I will watch TNG, DS9, and Voy on tv from time to time, nothings changedfor me. There are good episodes and there are piss poor episodes, i remaine pretty netural.
 
Not a lot has changed for me. 20 years later, Wesley still annoys.


I recently rewatched the first season episode "The Battle". Thoroughly enjoyed it. Kept on thinking what the show would have been like if Yar had remained part of the cast.
 
I think it has aged badly and doesn't hold up well to repeat viewings. The dated look though isn't what hurts the show. To me it simply comes down to a lack of intresting characters in the main cast. TNG has a vast array of guest starts that steal every episode from the series regulars. Granted DS9 was like that as well but the DS9 regulars were still more intresting than the TNG regulars. TNG also is hurt by the fact that it is a very plot-oriented show as oposed to being a character oriented show. My theory is shows that hold up best are ones with intresting characters because people watch repeats for the characters more than the stories since they already know how the story is going to play out. With that said alot of the guest stars still are intresting to watch like Barclay,Ro,Q etc and Patrick Stewart is fun to watch as well because he is such a terrific actor.

Jason
 
I think it's still great. It invented a entire new Trek universe. The acting of Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner is excellent, and visually, the series is exciting. I've been rewatching the series, and there's so many great episodes in a season. They hit on a lot of issues New BSG and the other Trek series never dreamed of.
 
I think it has aged badly and doesn't hold up well to repeat viewings. The dated look though isn't what hurts the show. To me it simply comes down to a lack of intresting characters in the main cast. TNG has a vast array of guest starts that steal every episode from the series regulars. Granted DS9 was like that as well but the DS9 regulars were still more intresting than the TNG regulars. TNG also is hurt by the fact that it is a very plot-oriented show as oposed to being a character oriented show. My theory is shows that hold up best are ones with intresting characters because people watch repeats for the characters more than the stories since they already know how the story is going to play out. With that said alot of the guest stars still are intresting to watch like Barclay,Ro,Q etc and Patrick Stewart is fun to watch as well because he is such a terrific actor.

Jason

I don't think plot oriented shows are inferior to character driven ones. Its a matter of preference really. But even so, the characters on STNG captured the imaginations of many more millions than DS9 did. STNG was a better mix of characters and drama than TOS and also DS9, while not necessarily developing them as much as DS9.

RAMA
 
I think it has aged badly and doesn't hold up well to repeat viewings. The dated look though isn't what hurts the show. To me it simply comes down to a lack of intresting characters in the main cast. TNG has a vast array of guest starts that steal every episode from the series regulars. Granted DS9 was like that as well but the DS9 regulars were still more intresting than the TNG regulars. TNG also is hurt by the fact that it is a very plot-oriented show as oposed to being a character oriented show. My theory is shows that hold up best are ones with intresting characters because people watch repeats for the characters more than the stories since they already know how the story is going to play out. With that said alot of the guest stars still are intresting to watch like Barclay,Ro,Q etc and Patrick Stewart is fun to watch as well because he is such a terrific actor.

Jason[/
I don't think plot oriented shows are inferior to character driven ones. Its a matter of preference really. But even so, the characters on STNG captured the imaginations of many more millions than DS9 did. STNG was a better mix of characters and drama than TOS and also DS9, while not necessarily developing them as much as DS9.

RAMA


I agree that "TNG" is more popular than "DS9" but "Baywatch" was proably more popular than "TNG" so i'm not exactly sure if being more popular is all that great. It just means your show is accesbile and to be accesible you got to attrack a vast array of people with differing views on entertainment so that means you either have to dumb things down like "Baywatch" or play it safe like "TNG."

"TNG" characters are likeable enough to make you care about the plots but not likeable enough IMO to really get emotionally invested in them on a deeper level that the best shows on tv do. "Data" comes close to this kind of character and I ike Picard today more than did back in the day though their is some instances were he is basically to soft to beleive as a starship captain. I like season 1 Picard somewhat better than what he would become because he did have little more bite back then. I just wish they had more edgy characters like Ro to play off on a regular basis. It also hurt that the Laforge/Data friendship and the Picard/Crusher romance wasn't used more often. To me those two realtionships are the most emotionally geniune on the show.

Jason
 
I have a hard time watching TNG now. The characters seem stiff and stilted, and the stories seem forced. Of course, there are a few favorites that I still enjoy, such as Measure of a Man, The Drumhead, etc.

When TNG started, I was enthralled. I became totally involved in these future "supermen," and discussed their advanced political views, compared to the real world, to non-Trek friends. I also was totally enamored of the characters and the E-D. It truly was a welcoming cocoon.

Maybe I'm just burned out on Trek, or maybe I've become old and cynical. I also have a hard time watching DS9. I can still watch the original series; that one rarely gets stale for me.

Doug
 
I have a hard time watching TNG now. The characters seem stiff and stilted, and the stories seem forced. Of course, there are a few favorites that I still enjoy, such as Measure of a Man, The Drumhead, etc.

When TNG started, I was enthralled. I became totally involved in these future "supermen," and discussed their advanced political views, compared to the real world, to non-Trek friends. I also was totally enamored of the characters and the E-D. It truly was a welcoming cocoon.

Maybe I'm just burned out on Trek, or maybe I've become old and cynical. I also have a hard time watching DS9. I can still watch the original series; that one rarely gets stale for me.

Doug

I've had the same response to the re-runs. Episodes I loved a few years ago are stilted and slow for me now. Of course, back when I used to watch it, I'd only ever really watched TNG. Now that I watch TOS on a regular basis, I'm wondering if that is why I feel differently about it these days.

So far, of the 12 episodes re-run on Sci-Fi, only "Time Squared," "Measure of a Man," and "Yesterday's Enterprise," have been entertaining.
 
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