Rewatched TMP last night
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I thought it was interesting that the film explored the reckoning for man's hubris. "You sent a map to the Earth out amongst the stars when there was no way to defend yourself against what may come? What did you think would happen?"
Not that I'm against exploration by any means.
Not that I'm against exploration by any means.
Probably true, albeit it would have been interesting if WOK had been written as taking place a few years after TMP with the established TMP events intact. Still with Kirk and crew intact on a mission and encounter Khan...
I don't tHink I could've taken another movie with the child pajamas uniforms. I definitely prefer the more militaristic uniform from TWOK-TUC. 
Yes it would've been interesting to have at least heard some mention of the V'ger incident in TWOK or a later film.
Yes it would've been interesting to have at least heard some mention of the V'ger incident in TWOK or a later film.
I dunno, in some ways it's kinda...both?
What surprised me is that, after all these years of only ever having watched the SLV and Director's Edition versions before, when I finally got to see the original theatrical cut for the first time ever when it was released on Blu Ray in 2009... I actually found that I prefer the theatrical cut to the other versions.
I think the SLV and DE re-edits actually compound a lot of the problems with the movie, whereas the theatrical cut feels, ironically given its reputation, much trimmer and faster paced to me these days. In a good way. 
Uh uh. NO WAY. That computer voice needed to die.
When I first heard that computer voice welcoming Spock aboard the Enterprise, I always thought it was actually a crew member speaking through and intercom, not a computer. I mean, why would a computer voice be so cheery, unless it was built by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?
Computed. Dearie.
I think you may need a little refresh. Chekov was the one who welcomed Spock onboard the Enterprise (in a cheery and surprised mood no less), not the computer. The only time a computer voice was heard was during the security scan before the Airlock door opened.
...Or is it possible you had a very botched "Pan and Scan" copy where Chekov was cut off the frame when Spock boards the Enterprise? Funny story. I had a full-frame version of the film before the 'scan' was implemented, and during the Epsilon 9 scene in the opening, the line "I have an exterior visual" is said offscreen while the commander simply turns his head for a brief moment. As a kid I thought that was a poor way of sneaking in a line of dialogue into the film when the character is clearly not moving his mouth.
That's actually done quite often in movies and TV. Whenever you can't seem someone's mouth actually saying the line, there's a chance that it was "looped". And they do quite often sneak one in as a character is turning away from camera.
^ Whisper it softly, but a lot of dialogue in movies gets "looped" even in scenes where you can see the actors mouths. Its usually faultless and undetectable, but for various reasons it's not uncommon for the take you 'hear' to not be from the take you 'see'.
(It's actually one of the most important skills a movie and TV actor must be able to possess, this ability to record dialogue in a controlled enviroment sometimes months after they shot the actual scenes, so they can sync their voice-over performance exactly with the images on the screen. Of course, it all goes hand-in-glove with being able to do multiple takes of a scene without changing the slightest inflection of the line reading -- some people can do it easily, others can not.)
TMP in particular has a lot of looped dialogue, because the bridge sets used rear projectors to make the animations used on the computer screens in 'real time', so almost none of the dialogue we hear on the bridge scenes in the movie was actually what got recorded on the take due to the sound of the film projectors (all of the dialogue was "looped" over the footage later). IIRC they fixed this for later movies that used the same sets.
(It's actually one of the most important skills a movie and TV actor must be able to possess, this ability to record dialogue in a controlled enviroment sometimes months after they shot the actual scenes, so they can sync their voice-over performance exactly with the images on the screen. Of course, it all goes hand-in-glove with being able to do multiple takes of a scene without changing the slightest inflection of the line reading -- some people can do it easily, others can not.)
TMP in particular has a lot of looped dialogue, because the bridge sets used rear projectors to make the animations used on the computer screens in 'real time', so almost none of the dialogue we hear on the bridge scenes in the movie was actually what got recorded on the take due to the sound of the film projectors (all of the dialogue was "looped" over the footage later). IIRC they fixed this for later movies that used the same sets.
In the Carrie Fisher/Meryl Streep movie Postcards from the Edge, there is a scene that recreates this, quite accurately as far as I know. Carrie's character has to loop dialog that was originally drowned out by a helicopter, in footage recorded a year earlier.
Every scene on the bridge in TMP was dialogue looped, due to the noise of the projectors rattling behind the console screens. Nick Meyer had the monitor footage transferred to video for ST II to avoid the need for excessive looping.
With 24-frame video playback to avoid lines/strobing when filmed, which hadn't been available for TMP.
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