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Rewatch: Learning Curve

Melakon

Melakon

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In Memoriam
"Get the cheese to sickbay."

I want that on my tombstone, please.

Not exactly a comedy, but it has its moments. The scene with Neelix telling Tuvok he has a stick up his ass (without using those terms) is a gem, well played by Phillips and Russ.

I liked Dalby, and he would probably have grown into a dependable and efficient officer.

Since watching the first season episodes the last few days, I've started wondering about the Maquis database. Is it based on Starfleet's, Bajorans, or Cardassian systems? A hodge-podge collection of each? What was the manufacture of most of their ships?

And if the Caretaker scanned a ship's computers for a familiar holographic environment, what did Chakotay, his Maquis crew, and Undercover Vulcan experience?
 
^it was made clear in DS9 and TNG that they used Starfleet and other UFP vessels.
 
I just watched the episode tonight and, yeah, it would've been nice to have seen Dalby and the other Maquis return in later episodes (I know Chell was a character in both "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force" and "Star Trek: Elite Force II").
 
I watched this one a few months back and thought about how monotous a 10k run around a deck would be.
 
Pondwater said:
I watched this one a few months back and thought about how monotous a 10k run around a deck would be.
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With the 10k run part the funny thing is at the end of it, when Chell and Garon are told to do 3 more laps, Tuvok also mentions that the gravity was increased by 10%, and yet you see another Starfleet officer (who looks human) walk by in the background, walking normally---and then Tuvok walks off and neither look like they are having to exert more energy to walk. Also at the beginning of the run Tuvok mentions he had had the deck cleared of personnel---so why was that human crew member walking in the hall at that time?
 
Increasing the gravity by 0.1 Terran G is not a lot, and considering that ships gravity is probably at the discretion of the Captain, and different species from different worlds again have different preferred "normal" gravities...

It probably just feels like you're carrying a small sack of potatoes.
 
If carrying a sack of potatoes simulates heavier gravity what would happen if you say, removed (temporarily, this is magic science) your arms and were then quite a few kg lighter. Would it simulate a lesser, bouncier gravity.
 
If you remove your arms, the sack of potatoes is going to fall to the ground and not affect your weight anymore.
 
I like the Chakotay punch best. It's the reason I rewatch this episode.

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQwQdVyecz4[/YT]
 
I really hate this episode. There's some other dull episodes in Voyager season one, but this is the only one I genuinely hate. It's like Up the Long Ladder from TNG. It's worse than Angel One.

The tone of this episode is out of wack. One moment Neelix's cheese has hilariously crippled the ship, the next minute some guy is talking about how his lover got raped and skull smashed by Cardassians. Good lord, that is pretty dark for Star Trek. Maybe save that for a less light hearted episode, don't just drop it on me and then continue on. Its like if they intercut scenes of Data learning stand-up comedy into Chain of Command between scenes of Picard being tortured.

Then you have the Leave it to Beaver ending, "If you can learn to bend the rules, maybe we can learn to follow them *winks directly at the camera* Really? I mean, I knew that was how the episode was going to end, but they really hammed it up to the maximum. A whole lot of cheese going on in this episode.

Good god, and to top it off, this is the finale of season 1? Great scott.
 
I am also a hater on this episode.

In addition to what Makarov has already said, I think this episode is a half-assed response to those, like myself, who wanted more conflict between the Starfleet and Maquis crews. Somehow these four are the only ones with any kind of real conflict with Starfleet personnel? Especially after Torres broke Carey's nose earlier in the season and the worst these guys seem to have going for them is being late for duty shifts?

The only real way this episode could have been redeemed if one of the characters was used instead of one of the other rejects in "Good Shepherd." Imagine one of them after being ordered to conform in this episode has been shuttled off to the bowels of the ship and didn't want to conform.
 
So what would happen if you flat out refused to put on the starfleet uniform? You're on this ship, yeah you will contribute to the work needed to run it in this difficult situation, earn your keep etc.. But you will not become starfleet for anyone.

WWKJD?
 
I've not seen NuBSG, so have no idea who she is, I only know this much through a Google search.
 
I deeply admire Laura Roslin.

"If I want to throw a baby out an airlock I'll do it. " President Laura Roslin

Best. Quote. Ever.

But Janeway wouldn't airlock me (and this line of discussion is all about me) just for saying no, not gonna starfleet it up. She was pushed to her absolute edge threatening Ransom, but I'm not going to be challenging to her like that. I am weak and small and I'm just going to be deeply irritating to her for the .5 seconds she is forced to think about me because Tuvok brought my intransigence to her attention.

No I would not put on the starfleet uniform. I would not be ex-starfleet in the first place, I would just be a pissed off Maquis settler, probably ended up out there in that shithole DMZ because I saw it as less of a controlled environment than a Federation planet. And now what, you want me to embrace everything I was trying to get away from, the actual space cops?! No, just no.

I expect I'd end up doing really unpleasant work which she would have someone around me supervising because I might be a loose cannon until she decided that wasting an actual officer on supervising me was dumb and I had learned my lesson. Then if I was super lucky Neelix would be put in charge of me and I would get to peel vegetables and cook stuff which would make me happy.

Would there be some ongoing sanctions against me? Less rations, less freedom? Was it a real choice whether they put on the starfleet uniform?
 
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