Reunion...and repercussions

[doubleohfive]

Uh, I've made my case. Over and over again. The burden of proof is on you, my friend!

 

[EnriqueH]

Thought you were going to PM me?

This will be my last post in this thread:

Your last post proves you don't understand anything I've tried to say. The purpose of this thread was never about winning or losing, right or wrong, or for that matter proving ANYTHING.

This was clearly a controversial choice by Worf, and I was interested in a CNN Crossfire type discussion with different ideas and philosophies.

In other words, I was interested in an IDIC style philosophical discussion/debate.

The problem was that we never understood one another's point of view. We each prodded the other, but I took exception to the memes and snide remarks as a sign of disrespect.

I don't agree with Worf's decision, but worse than that, I wish the episode had explored this decision with some pros and cons. Instead, to me, it came off as a quick fix by the writers so that Alexander wouldn't have to be in every episode. Why give Worf a son if the writing team doesn't want to commit? They did, when, the following season? But that still doesn't excuse the episode's inability to explore this controversial decision. That of a parent sending his kid away to live with his grandparents.

You can post more memes, snide remarks if you wish, but I'm done.

Hailing frequencies closed.

 

[doubleohfive]

Thought you were going to PM me?

No. I invited you to PM me.

When you misunderstood that crystal clear invitation, I further clarified it by pointing out that as I am in agreement with how the episode's story played out and the choices made by the characters therein, the burden of proof to make the argument here was on you.

i.e. if you wanted to continue this conversation privately, you needed to private message me.


Once more, with feeling: Worf made a perfectly valid choice in sending Alexander to live with his parents on Earth after K'Ehleyr was killed. Nothing about that choice was dishonorable or indicative of a lack of courage or responsibility on Worf's part.

This will be my last post in this thread:

Somehow, I doubt that.

 

[JRoss]

Culture is worthless, and should never be used as a defense for wrong actions or disobedience. This includes real-world cultures, all of which I hold in low esteem.

Anyway, Worf was in the wrong as far as Starfleet regulations are concerned. You always get permission to leave a ship.

I only read the first page, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Worf is a duke. He's certainly got to have some sort of loophole that he can abuse to get away with it scot-free.

 

[FormerLurker]

Worf may be a duke, but at that time he's a duke that's out of favor with the gentry and high council, and probably even the high command. No one trusts him, no one respects him, and no one is willing to give him the time of day. If he can abuse some loophole, he better beat it stupid or his ass is grass.

 

[Makarov]

The funny thing is that all of the bridge crew would have probably done the same thing if their mate was killed. Heck even Data tried to vaporize the Most Toys guy who only killed a recent acquaintance of his. Riker advocated destroying the Crystalline Entity probably in part because it had just killed his potential girlfriend. Picard put aside his Starfleet duties for a bit after his archeologist friend was killed too.

 

[Timo]

Good point, and the audience can easily associate with that particular variant of barbarism. It basically only becomes dramatically interesting if the mate-slaying villain for some reason X should not be killed in retribution. Not just for X = "murder is naughty", but for something like X = "studying the Entity will give Starfleet strategic advantage in further encounters with the species", or X = "the villain can be thanked for saving millions of lives, and will continue to provide the service if allowed to live".

Culture is worthless, and should never be used as a defense for wrong actions or disobedience. This includes real-world cultures, all of which I hold in low esteem.

Then again, Starfleet is just a culture, too...

Timo Saloniemi