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Sorry but, it's complete rubbish!
(If men thought more with their brains than their sexual appendixes - this is as true in the other direction but it is more rare -!)
You mean he should have raped her?
Thank you, Jedman67, to have mention this.
I haven't never watched Bladerunner but I was ready to bet that the sexual encounter between the 2 quoted characters psCargile quoted in his post, had had to be violent, what makes his comment much more scandalous in a general level. Rape and (making) love should NEVER be associated, regardless of the context!
As for Chakotay, I may not appreciate the character, I know on the other hand that, he would NEVER dare to sexually force a woman against her will. It just isn't in his way of behaving with them.
-> Janeway has kindly made Chakotay understand twice (s1, s3 and s4) that she didn't want to commit any intimate relation with him, and I think that he finally ended to integrate the message. But because he was trully in love with Janeway, he put all his heart to seduce her sweetly and on the length, her rejection surely hurt him deeply, like he was after Seska's betrayal.
On the other hand, the fact that he massaged her painful neck/shoulders without she invited him to do it, was maybe sweet but inapropriate and he knew it.
There's a difference between having an a-type personality and being the person in charge. If you are in charge you don't have act like you are in charge, or act out to prove that you are in charge.
Janeway is Captain because she put her shoulder to the grind stone for almost two decades like a good soldier, so they gave her a tiny ship, to do tiny not very important, quiet missions, like killing Chakotay. Her first mission was an assassination. Starfleet Medical and the Admiralty looked at her and did not see a stable beacon of inspiration and hope, they saw someone dead enough inside that she can "nuke" the cave Chakotay was living in, from orbit and not shed a tear.
Janeway is a Sigma on a ship full of Gammas.
Janeway is Captain because she put her shoulder to the grind stone for almost two decades like a good soldier, so they gave her a tiny ship, to do tiny not very important, quiet missions, like killing Chakotay. Her first mission was an assassination. Starfleet Medical and the Admiralty looked at her and did not see a stable beacon of inspiration and hope, they saw someone dead enough inside that she can "nuke" the cave Chakotay was living in, from orbit and not shed a tear.
Janeway is a Sigma on a ship full of Gammas.
Or au contraire, it allows her to know what were her preferences in terms of beta males (and it was clear that he wasn't aboard!) and/or what she doesn't want to be (Chakotay's girlfriend)!
-> seriously, in spite of a long stay (several months) and favorable terms (alone on a planet with a relative comfort = everything or almost to begin a new existence far from Voyager), Janeway unequivocally rejected Chakotay's advances. Shortly after, in Hunters (s4), while she learned her return in the club of the single women - after to have received a kind of breakup letter from Mark Johnson -, she still wasn't interested by Chakotay's subtexted proposition to be her lover/mate. In contrast, as soon as she was interested in a romantic liason with someone like Michael - although he was a hologram -, Krashyk* and Jaffen), she didn't hesitate one minute before dashingl
* If Janeway had again crossed the path of Krashyk, they would have become lovers. It would certainly have been brief but intense.
-> Mulgrew wanted to see the character of Krashyk return (she has loved performing with the actor, Mark Harelik) and that Janeway and him become lovers, even for an episode, but Braga and Michael Taylor, the scriptwriter of "Counterpoint" didn't want, considering that Janeway couldn't reasonably want a liason with a man who had betrayed her confidence, even if he was a romantic partner worthy of her, what supposes that Chakotay wasn't!
Kashyk was a space Nazi.
That has to be a deal breaker for even the most amoral person.
Michael was a slave or a toy. As a tool he preformed a necessary service, but frankly aside from perfect orgasms, what good is he for the other 167 hours of the space-week?
That has to be a deal breaker for even the most amoral person.
Michael was a slave or a toy. As a tool he preformed a necessary service, but frankly aside from perfect orgasms, what good is he for the other 167 hours of the space-week?
For Chakotay to "take charge" against Janeways wishes would indeed be rape, regardless if she eventually "acquiesced" or was forced. Arguably Deckard's actions could be considered rape, I believe Kubrick would consider it "seduction" - he persuades her that she is in love with him.
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