Spoilers Resolution grade and discussion thread

[Lonemagpie]

The villains in almost all of DW have always been white males, since generally those were the only actors getting the work...

I forgot Yaz was a copper. Shame Chibnall appears to have forgotten also.

 

[Starkers]

The villains in almost all of DW have always been white males, since generally those were the only actors getting the work...

I forgot Yaz was a copper. Shame Chibnall appears to have forgotten also.

There's nuances in her performance, like when she escorted Mitch and Lin out, taking their details, getting statements etc, she's a good actress I just don't think Chibnall knows what to do with her.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's a massive manhunt for Lin.

The cop camera on the car, recording her murder of 2 cops.

Did the Doctor drop her back into that, 40 years jail time, or send her off world, or into the past/future?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

There's a massive manhunt for Lin.

The cop camera on the car, recording her murder of 2 cops.

Did the Doctor drop her back into that, 40 years jail time, or send her off world, or into the past/future?

I was thinking about that while watching the episode and just figured UNIT would clean it up...until we found what happened to them.

 

[Marc]

Left-wing propaganda?

Have you ever watched Doctor Who before? That's been a part of it forever. Even back in the RTD days when ratings were at their highest, the same people complained about the gay agenda and how they were forcing interracial couples on the audience. Acting like this is something new is laughable. Even the classic series was like this.

But tell me, what left-wing propaganda is it? That women can be equal to men? That there's nothing wrong with female heroes who aren't there to titillate the male audience? Tell me.

Go back even further the classic era when you had writers like Malcolm Hulke who if he was any more left-wing he'd have fallen off the edge.

 

[RPOW0614]

Great Episode!
After a "meh" season of hits and misses this was a fun ride.
Dalek's, history, chases, explosions, parasites, funky doctor gadgets and a Dalek killing microwave oven.
My favorite episode with Jodi at the helm.
I was waiting for the Brexit joke too when she tried to get in touch with UNIT, LOL.

My question is: Is there still 2/3's of a Dalek on Earth?

 

[Starkers]

My question is: Is there still 2/3's of a Dalek on Earth?

No, the UV lamp revived the piece in Sheffield which then (somehow) teleported the other two parts to it. We saw them vanish from their respective burial plots.

 

[Starkers]

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say. Since Chibnall has now given us Cyberwoman, and Dalekwoman, what's next, Sontaranwoman?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

No, the UV lamp revived the piece in Sheffield which then (somehow) teleported the other two parts to it. We saw them vanish from their respective burial plots.

I didn't get that at all. I assumed the other bits were still wherever they were.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say. Since Chibnall has now given us Cyberwoman, and Dalekwoman, what's next, Sontaranwoman?

Maybe Strax in drag? I miss the Victorian Scooby gang.

 

[RPOW0614]

No, the UV lamp revived the piece in Sheffield which then (somehow) teleported the other two parts to it. We saw them vanish from their respective burial plots.

Guess I missed that.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
But I did like the idea of two more Dalek time bombs waiting to go off in the future.

 

[DarthPipes]

Another point about Yaz and missed opportunities. Someone on Twitter pointed out that she may well have known the two coppers murdered by Dalek-Lin. Why didn't Chibnall give her something to work with here? At the very least a moment of introspection. "I knew them, Doctor. That could have been me." And hell, could have been a wider narrative for her to get her teeth into. She could have been cold to Lin afterwards. "I know it wasn't you, I tell myself you were fighting the Dalek all the way, but those two people were my friends." and what about Lin? Where's her aftermath? She's basically forgotten about once the Dalek leaves her behind. But hey, you know Chibnall only had an hour and he had two meaningful conversations with Ryan's dad to fit in...

Imagine losing Aaron from this, and having Yaz in the Lin role? Not only would this have given Madip something to get her teeth into in this episode, but potentially a whole PTSD storyline that could have filtered into the character way beyond this. How do you deal with being held captive by a monster? How do you deal with guilt over your role in the deaths of your colleagues, even though you rationally tell yourself you had no say in the matter?

Plus this would have given the Doctor, Ryan and Graham a much more personal stake in stopping the Dalek, and given this episode was going for a 'Dalek' vibe that would have given Jodie something to get her teeth into when facing down the pepper pot, because as has been said she didn't have the whole Time War, last of the Timelords thing that Eccleston was able to channel into the encounter.

Yeah, I thought this was a real missed opportunity not giving Yaz a personal connection to the officers or at the very least remember that, you know, she's a cop! The writers have literally seemed to forget this as the season has gone on.

And yeah, giving her the Lin role wouldn't have been a bad idea either.

 

[The Wormhole]

We are somehow supposed to believe that a Dalek direct from Skaro with the Ability to shut down a TARDIS, and sonic tech.. Can be defeated by medieval humans and weaponry. If a lesson was learned from that, it was that the assault on the Dalek from the Eccleston era was pitiful, because well we are supposed to suspend belief and accept that the Daleks can be defeated by Melee weapons over high powered rifles. So in the future, just drop the gun, and use a sword.

The Borg can adapt to the most advanced phasers, but can't adapt to tommy guns. Makes you wonder why the Enterprise crew didn't start replicating tommy guns in First Contact. Or for that matter, why did Starfleet suspend research on that gun that can beam bullets into other rooms on DS9? That could have become the leading anti-Borg weapon.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Why didn't they just burn the three pieces of the corpse instead of burying them?

Anyway, GCHQ has announced that everything is operational again following the Dalek attack.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/...N3wKJblvfobfH5-ri4FCJXxkA6ky9qLMhtAnpybBQnpHc

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say. Since Chibnall has now given us Cyberwoman, and Dalekwoman, what's next, Sontaranwoman?

Don't forget Doctorwoman.

 

[David cgc]

Why didn't they just burn the three pieces of the corpse instead of burying them?

Given they destroyed the Dalek's case by incinerating it, I'm guessing the mutant was as burned as it was going to get.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm at a loss to wonder why each of the three segments didn't grow into it's own Dalek?

Do Daleks worry about over population?

An insane dalek macromitosifying until there are trillions of insane copies of the same dalek looking to raise a little hell.

Daleks worry about another civil war.

 

[Qonundrum]

Left-wing propaganda?

Have you ever watched Doctor Who before? That's been a part of it forever. Even back in the RTD days when ratings were at their highest, the same people complained about the gay agenda and how they were forcing interracial couples on the audience. Acting like this is something new is laughable. Even the classic series was like this.

But tell me, what left-wing propaganda is it? That women can be equal to men? That there's nothing wrong with female heroes who aren't there to titillate the male audience? Tell me.


I think it says a lot that all the armies at the time fought it and only three survived to split up the parts dedicating their lives and descendants to it. They beat it but not without a price we can barely comprehend.

Largely agreed, the classic series is replete with examples from the subtle to the not-subtle-at-all. Indeed, the first "humans are bad" story is either "The Sensorites" or "An Unearthly Child" depending on how you think about it. If anything, six part 25 minute stories aren't ramming the theme down as often (as perceived by those making the gripe) but the claim classic Who wasn't political is not quite correct.

What bugs me though is the over-reliance on the sonic screwdriver as a very lazy plot advancement/getoutofjailfreecliche device, something the classic series didn't have for almost half its 26 year existence whatsoever and it's the current incarnation who's whipping it out more often and faster than an orchestra conductor that OD'd on crystal meth. And I thought Tennant-Capaldi eras overused it. Give her a tricorder instead, it won't look as laughably bad. Have episodes where characters do atmosphere readings BEFORE leaving their ship and it'll look far less laughably bad. "The Ghost Monument" still cracks me up but I keep forgetting the last decade or more isn't often much more than a self-aware parody of its former self.

And the recent brouhaha where a character got killed in 25 seconds and everybody's upset like how they always were before when characters are introduced and then killed off as fodder. Would Chibnall really be trolling the audience with the trope people seem to be calling "bury your gays", despite his other stories having gay characters that didn't die - so maybe it's not trolling but equality? Or maybe the audience is reading into things way, way too much.

 

[Qonundrum]

I'm at a loss to wonder why each of the three segments didn't grow into it's own Dalek?

Do Daleks worry about over population?

An insane dalek macromitosifying until there are trillions of insane copies of the same dalek looking to raise a little hell.

Daleks worry about another civil war.

Based on "The Power of the Daleks" and "Revelation of the Daleks", they're always keen to grow their numbers to conquer the universe so, no, they don't worry about overpopulation.

Well most of the time, the lady the Dalek mutant took over didn't seem to be killed off in the way the mutants tended to kill whenever they got a chance in the past and that's a first, if not apocryphal to the concept OF a Dalek...

Another Dalek civil war might be interesting. Who'll be writing that story?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Largely agreed, the classic series is replete with examples from the subtle to the not-subtle-at-all. Indeed, the first "humans are bad" story is either "The Sensorites" or "An Unearthly Child" depending on how you think about it. If anything, six part 25 minute stories aren't ramming the theme down as often (as perceived by those making the gripe) but the claim classic Who wasn't political is not quite correct.

What bugs me though is the over-reliance on the sonic screwdriver as a very lazy plot advancement/getoutofjailfreecliche device, something the classic series didn't have for almost half its 26 year existence whatsoever and it's the current incarnation who's whipping it out more often and faster than an orchestra conductor that OD'd on crystal meth. And I thought Tennant-Capaldi eras overused it. Give her a tricorder instead, it won't look as laughably bad. Have episodes where characters do atmosphere readings BEFORE leaving their ship and it'll look far less laughably bad. "The Ghost Monument" still cracks me up but I keep forgetting the last decade or more isn't often much more than a self-aware parody of its former self.

And the recent brouhaha where a character got killed in 25 seconds and everybody's upset like how they always were before when characters are introduced and then killed off as fodder. Would Chibnall really be trolling the audience with the trope people seem to be calling "bury your gays", despite his other stories having gay characters that didn't die - so maybe it's not trolling but equality? Or maybe the audience is reading into things way, way too much.

I barely notice the use of the sonic screwdriver. It’s mostly a scanner now.

 

[Marc]

Another Dalek civil war might be interesting. Who'll be writing that story?

John Peel?
/runs/